{"id":42411,"date":"2021-05-19T17:28:31","date_gmt":"2021-05-19T16:28:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/cupblog.bluefusesystems.com\/?p=42411"},"modified":"2021-05-20T11:20:23","modified_gmt":"2021-05-20T10:20:23","slug":"socrates-and-the-beautiful-girl","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cambridge.org\/core\/blog\/2021\/05\/19\/socrates-and-the-beautiful-girl\/","title":{"rendered":"Socrates and the Beautiful Girl"},"content":{"rendered":"
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What is the Beautiful? In Plato\u2019s Hippias Major<\/em>, Socrates and the sophist Hippias set out to answer this question. Along the way, they evaluate such answers as \u2018the appropriate\u2019, \u2018the beneficial\u2019, \u2018gold\u2019, and even \u2018burying your parents\u2019. First, however, they evaluate Hippias\u2019s proposal that the Beautiful is a beautiful girl.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Readers of Plato\u2019s dialogues will know that this is not the kind of answer Socrates is looking for: Hippias is naming a beautiful particular instead of supplying a definition for \u2018the Beautiful\u2019. Moreover, as I argue in \u2018The Beautiful Girl: An Erotic Reading of Socrates\u2019 First Argument in Plato\u2019s Hippias Major<\/em>\u2019, even if Socrates were asking Hippias to name a beautiful particular, he wouldn\u2019t be happy with Hippias\u2019s charged choice of particular. Throughout the Platonic corpus, Socrates indicates that he finds boys to be beautiful, but he never says the same about girls. While beautiful boys and beautiful girls are both objects of unhealthy lust, lust for a beautiful boy can at least be redirected up the Symposium\u2019s scala amoris<\/em> towards the Beautiful itself. By contrast, a man who lusts only after beautiful girls can never \u2018give birth to true virtue\u2019.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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How, then, should Socrates respond to Hippias? I suggest that since he cannot elevate the conversation, he debases it. He takes seriously Hippias\u2019s proposal that the Beautiful is a beautiful girl, considering the possibility that the beautiful girl might be a paradigm for other beautiful things\u2014that is, that other beautiful things are beautiful because they somehow resemble a beautiful girl. But since the beautiful girl is deemed beautiful insofar as she is an object of sexual desire, the candidates for things that are beautiful because they resemble her will be things that pick up on her eroticism.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So, Socrates proceeds to ask Hippias whether mares, lyres, and pots are beautiful. Mares, lyres, and pots, I demonstrate, are all regularly used in Attic comedy as metaphorical obscenities for sexualized women. They are, then, the sorts of things that will be deemed beautiful if the beautiful girl is our paradigm for beauty: like the girl, they are ridden, plucked, and fired for the production of \u2018soup\u2019. Hippias is willing to grant that mares and lyres are beautiful, but the idea that common pots are beautiful is too absurd, even for him.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Horrified by Socrates\u2019 smuttiness, he exclaims that pots are \u2018not worth judging beautiful, compared to a horse and a girl and all the other beautiful things\u2019. With this, Hippias falls squarely into Socrates\u2019 trap. Just as monkeys are foul in comparison to men, so pots are foul in comparison to girls, Socrates reasons, but aren\u2019t both men and girls foul in comparison to gods? The girl is not strictly beautiful, and so she cannot be the paradigm for beautiful things: she cannot be the Beautiful. With raucous comedic language, Socrates has successfully refuted Hippias\u2019s proposal and exposed the sophist as a lecherous fool.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Solveig Lucia Gold is a PhD candidate in Classics at the University of Cambridge. Her new open access article – ‘The Beautiful Girl: an Erotic Reading of Socrates\u2019 First Argument in Plato’s Hippias Major<\/a>‘ – is out now in Cambridge journal The Classical Quarterly<\/em>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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