The ethical and formal relationships between survivors and those who had not undergone such experiences became the basis for the “detailed investigations of the actor-audience relationship.” Grotowski wrote that, in Akropolis, he consciously (and counterintuitively) mixed the actors with the spectators. As Walter Kerr put it: “He has put the audience and the actors together in an extraordinarily close relationship without insisting upon that false intimacy, that overbearing directness of contact, that marks and mars the work, say, of the Living Theatre.” The goal was for the spectators to remain distant, like witnesses, but also to immerse them in the theatrical reality. In an interview, Grotowski said: “In Akropolis the audience represents the living watching the ‘dead’ inmates in the nightmare dreams. Ultimately the audience must give its own answer. Will mankind retrieve its past dreams? Can it survive the greatest brutality of the century? Is there hope?” Or as Flaszen put it: