When I think of my early childhood and how, well, how lower middle class and how narrow it was, I'd have to say – it was the war that made the difference! No, it was actually even before the war … That seven years age difference between me and my sister – weoften talk about it – my sister doesn't swim, my sister doesn't do exercises – although some people around then did do that sort of thing – 1 mean, it's partly simply the way she is – but it's also the whole attitude and how things were then. She grew up, you know, with hair in a bun and pointed shoes and high heels and all that … even now, if she's going on about something, I say, well, you're a lady and I'm not. And, you know, that is somehow the difference between us. They were all like that, not just her … that's what it was all about, that's how it still was, you know, sort of having a rod up your back and everything tightly strapped in. And then when I was older everything was a bit freer and, you know, I'd almost be tempted to say that perhaps the political change [i.e. the Nazi seizure of power – translator] had something to do with it … because it was like that then, everything was more sporty, you wore flat heels and, yes, you went swimming. For my sister that would have been impossible, pretty well. […]