It was the shelters, then the Masakeng, and as you go forward from that place there were spots where people used to have their drinks even though we did not drink then. The liquor that was drunk at that time, they used to dig it in holes.Yes, and they did that so that the police could not arrest the sellers. ‘There comes the police,’ we would say. That beer was dug underground and remained cold always. They will close the holes again and seal it so that the police cannot even trace the beer underground. A person who went to that house to buy beer was expected to open the ground and pour beer for himself. You went there to buy carrying your money, the old lady will take the money and a person would go and dig for his beer because the old lady did not want to involve herself with being arrested. A person went to pour beer for himself even if he can pour more for himself … the risk was his. If the police find you in the hole, they arrest you … but it was nice, man.

We used to go to the Pelican. And there were some chosen shebeens … yes, Club Pelican. And we had some shebeens around Orlando East. We had to go to Rockville, there was Rowena's place and Lekodi.

He came back and said, ‘You know, I want to live a quiet life.’ And then he decided to open a night club. The name Pelican – it's amazing how people refer to it as a bird, it was never actually a bird.