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Destructive by nature? What human-driven extinctions of mammoths and mastodons mean for today’s planetary environmental crisis

Published online by Cambridge University Press:  01 December 2025

Andrea Cardini*
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Dipartimento di Scienze Chimiche e Geologiche, Università di Modena e Reggio Emilia , Modena, Italy School of Anatomy, Physiology and Human Biology, The University of Western Australia, Crawley, WA, Australia
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Corresponding author: Andrea Cardini; Email: andrea.cardini@uwa.edu.au
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Abstract

Scientists still debate whether small groups of Paleolithic hunter-gatherers caused the extinction of large Ice Age animals like prehistoric elephants, giant sloths and cave lions. Beyond paleontology, this question has deep sociological implications and is relevant for how we understand the role of humankind in today’s environmental crisis. A human-driven megafauna extinction has often fostered the idea of a naturalization of human environmental impacts and the belief that all people (modern or ancient, rich or poor, from any part of the world) share responsibility for the current crisis. But is that true? In the review, I discuss whether a long evolutionary history of impacts really makes us inevitably destructive, compelling humanity to accept a devastating anthropocentric dominance as the fateful destiny natural selection built for us. In contrast, I argue that, while our exceptional ability to shape environments has made us a ‘hyper-keystone’ species, benefiting only a few species and humans, this same ability also has the potential to help us restore balance to the world. That requires rejecting anthropocentric supremacy and placing ecosystems at the center stage of our relationship with nonhuman nature. We may have wiped out the mammoths and mastodons, but human destructiveness is not fate.

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Author comment: Destructive by nature? What human-driven extinctions of mammoths and mastodons mean for today’s planetary environmental crisis — R0/PR1

Comments

Dear Editor,

please, find submitted a review paper entitled:

Destructive by nature? What human-driven extinctions of mammoths and mastodons mean for today’s planetary environmental crisis.

In the manuscript, I am exploring the broader implications of a possible human role in the Late Quaternary extinction, which led to the loss of more than half of the land megafauna. The paper integrates scientific and humanistic perspectives to argue that human-driven global change may be a fundamental aspect of the interaction between biological and cultural evolution in our species. However, I contend that this trajectory is not predetermined by evolution: we have the capacity to shift our impact from harmful to beneficial.

The review is aimed at a broad readership at the boundary between science and humanities.

If allowed by the journal policy, I suggest a few preferred reviewers:

Eileen Crist, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg VA: ecrist@vt.edu

Anthony Barnosky, UC Berkeley: barnosky@berkeley.edu

Jens-Christian Svenning, Aarhus Universitet: svenning@bio.au.dk

I look forward to your response, and thank you for considering my work.

Sincerely

Andrea Cardini

Review: Destructive by nature? What human-driven extinctions of mammoths and mastodons mean for today’s planetary environmental crisis — R0/PR2

Conflict of interest statement

Reviewer declares none.

Comments

From the abstract, the manuscript appears to aim to challenge the notion that humans are inherently destructive and instead emphasize the capacity of humans to bring about positive change. However, the manuscript’s structure and argumentation do not clearly follow this path. Instead, the first half of the manuscript focuses on Late Quaternary extinctions (LQE) as evidence of human destructiveness, eventually taking the stance that this trait is a given. The manuscript then proceeds to describe modern environmental impacts associated with human actions, identifying mass consumption and exponential population growth as significant factors contributing to the current ecological situation. The conclusion appears to be that human “culture” offers a means to address the environmental degradation that is occurring today. However, the consequence of this argument structure is that the link between the supposed human-caused LQE extinctions and modern environmental degradation breaks down. This leaves the manuscript feeling like it is telling two separate stories.

The conceptual fingerprints of the overkill model are found throughout the manuscript. Unfortunately, the use of overkill in the argument automatically forces the discussion of human impacts to destructiveness as an inherent and fixed trait. However, the second half of the manuscript argues for the ability of humans, through culture, to overcome environmental challenges. In other words, the first half is based on the argument of the fixed nature of human behavior, while the second half leans into the idea that human behavior can strive for solutions. To be logically consistent, the manuscript could retain the LQE premise with its fixed human behavior and dedicate the second half to documenting modern destruction, with no solutions or hope. Alternatively, the manuscript could be reoriented to shift the prehistoric narrative to focus on human behavior as situationally diverse and creative to support the potential for humans to mitigate environmental conditions.

Much of what is described in the second section on the impacts of LQE would have occurred whether it was caused by climate change or human predation.

The quotes and examples referring to indigenous peoples should be removed (page 3, line 43; page 8, line 40; page 11, line 14). The first paragraph suggests that the concept of “survival of the fittest” justifies destructive colonial actions. Given the positionality of Western research relative to indigenous peoples in colonial contexts, we should be thoughtful about using their words and experiences in our argumentation.

Much of the critique of modern societies, such as “the will to dominate” (page 15, line 52) and supremacy over nature, is related to Western ideologies rather than a global trait of humans. This discussion itself could further support the argument that human beliefs and actions vary. However, as it stands, it could be used to support the fixed nature of humans.

There is an argument that group-level selection may occur within humans when we think of solutions related to mitigating the tragedy of the commons. Laws, policies, and cultural norms become a means of constraining individual behavior to benefit the group. Thus, it could support a way for humans to reduce their environmental impact and become more a part of nature. One thing that humans do that stands out is that we excel at creating a great deal of intra-generational phenotypic variability for evolutionary processes to play around with. To constrain our views on human potential as fixed and hard-wired seems like a limiting belief we should avoid.

Review: Destructive by nature? What human-driven extinctions of mammoths and mastodons mean for today’s planetary environmental crisis — R0/PR3

Conflict of interest statement

Reviewer declares none.

Comments

This sort of philosophical musing about the long-term meaning or implications of events and processes in the past does not resolve issues raised in the text. There are no empirical facts, no testing of hypotheses, no falsifying of hypotheses – and therefore no scientific support for either of the polarized positions implied in the manuscript – “anthropomorphic supremacy” (evolution of inevitable human destructiveness) or something else (to be aspired to, such as changing human views towards restoring/conserving ecosystems). Authoritarian religions and hyper-capitalism direct humans to exploit their supremacy, which prehistoric Homo sapiens also might have been in the process of accepting, especially when globally expanding their range.

Recommendation: Destructive by nature? What human-driven extinctions of mammoths and mastodons mean for today’s planetary environmental crisis — R0/PR4

Comments

Both reviewers raised concerns with the manuscript. Reviewer 1 finds the two parts of the paper contradictory and suggests they be better integrated, while Reviewer 2 notes that you provide limited evidence to support either position. Please pay careful attention to Reviewer 1’s suggestions for reframing the manuscript to resolve this contradiction. To address Reviewer 2’s commentary, the argument would be strengthened by incorporating additional empirical support.

Decision: Destructive by nature? What human-driven extinctions of mammoths and mastodons mean for today’s planetary environmental crisis — R0/PR5

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Author comment: Destructive by nature? What human-driven extinctions of mammoths and mastodons mean for today’s planetary environmental crisis — R1/PR6

Comments

Milan October 2025

Dear Editors,

I am grateful to you and the reviewers for considering my contribution and for the constructive comments.

I am answering all questions below (in green), and have tracked changes to the manuscript, as suggested. I also uploaded a clean version with all changes accepted.

Changes were small, as suggested in your letter, but they have definitely helped to clarify potential misinterpretations and better stress why human ‘nature’ provides no excuse for passively accepting anthropogenic impacts and, thus, resigning to the inevitability of the global environmental crisis.

I look forward to hearing from you in due time.

Sincerely

Andrea Cardini

Dipartimento di Scienze Chimiche e Geologiche, Università di Modena e Reggio Emilia, Via Campi, 103 - 41125 Modena – Italy

School of Anatomy, Physiology and Human Biology, The University of Western Australia, 35 Stirling Highway, Crawley WA 6009, Australia

E-mail address: alcardini@gmail.com, andrea.cardini@unimore.it, andrea.cardini@uwa.edu.au

Tel. 0039 059 2058472

https://orcid.org/0000-0003-2910-632X

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13-Oct-2025

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Comments to the Author:

Both reviewers raised concerns with the manuscript. Reviewer 1 finds the two parts of the paper contradictory and suggests they be better integrated, while Reviewer 2 notes that you provide limited evidence to support either position. Please pay careful attention to Reviewer 1’s suggestions for reframing the manuscript to resolve this contradiction. To address Reviewer 2’s commentary, the argument would be strengthened by incorporating additional empirical support.

I appreciate the reviewers’ comments, even when I may disagree. The revision should be clearer especially in terms of better connecting the two main parts. That should also help to see that there is a quite a bit of empirical evidence, with most references being peer-reviewed published scientific studies. Yet, I acknowledge that there are philosophical aspects, as the paper is a perspective at the boundary between science and humanities, which is why I submitted it to a multidisciplinary journal with a broad readership.

Concerning reviewer 1, there is no real contradiction: the interaction between gene and environment, which for humans includes culture, determines our behaviour today as in the past. However, we (at least those of us with a background in biology) are now well aware of this. Awareness might lead to positive change and avert the worst outcomes of the global environmental crisis.

I am not arguing that moving from awareness to radical change is easy: it is not, and I am not optimistic that it might happen. Nonetheless, we are unlikely to move forward by denying that we, as a species whose most unusual evolutionary trait is exponentially cumulative culture, may be prone to overexploitation and destructiveness. If that is true, it does not imply genetic determinism. It might simply be that, being able to build culture cumulatively, the process becomes self-reinforcing like a positive feedback going out of control until the system breaks (the endpoint we must avoid).

Reviewer 2 raises a valid point (about ‘philosophical considerations’), but one that, in my view, only concerns the second aspect I mentioned above: whether genes and culture can interact in a positive direction in relation to the global environmental crisis.

The core of the paper begins with the assumption of a decisive human role in the Late Quaternary extinctions (LQEs) to argue that, even if human destructiveness were not an emergent property of the agro-industrial revolution, a longer evolutionary history of such destructiveness would not necessarily imply inevitability. This implication rests on a still-prevalent but misleading interpretation of genetic determinism, one that overlooks the fact that every phenotype results from complex gene-environment interactions. This is a scientific fact backed by countless empirical studies. Authoritarian religions and hyper-capitalism are part of the environment, as it is an increasingly widespread addiction to luxury living. These are aspects that we can change, but, as I said above, we might not be able to do it as quickly as needed.

Reviewer(s)' Comments to Author:

Reviewer: 1

Comments to the Author

From the abstract, the manuscript appears to aim to challenge the notion that humans are inherently destructive and instead emphasize the capacity of humans to bring about positive change. However, the manuscript’s structure and argumentation do not clearly follow this path. Instead, the first half of the manuscript focuses on Late Quaternary extinctions (LQE) as evidence of human destructiveness, eventually taking the stance that this trait is a given.

I suspect that the reviewer mistook the Impact Statement for the Abstract. The Impact Statement, which I now revised, may have focused too narrowly on the essentialist view of human nature, without better connecting it with the presumed role of humans in LQE. The abstract, however, faithfully mirrors the structure and content of the main manuscript.

That humans are destructive by nature is not a given: it is a position common in the sociological interpretation of the implication of a decisive role of humans in LQE. My stated aim is to demonstrate that, even if that is the case and, therefore, human destructiveness is not a feature of modernity, this “trait” is part of an extended phenotype that cannot be simply and merely determined by genetics. Thus, destructiveness can be a feature of our evolutionary history and yet is neither deterministic nor inevitable.

The manuscript then proceeds to describe modern environmental impacts associated with human actions, identifying mass consumption and exponential population growth as significant factors contributing to the current ecological situation. The conclusion appears to be that human “culture” offers a means to address the environmental degradation that is occurring today. However, the consequence of this argument structure is that the link between the supposed human-caused LQE extinctions and modern environmental degradation breaks down. This leaves the manuscript feeling like it is telling two separate stories.

I would put it differently, which is my main point in the article: it’s the interaction between gene and the environment, which for humans crucially includes culture, that can be either negative or positive for the planetary ecosystem. The outcome of this interaction has mostly been destructive, to the point of us being the only species able to set life on the path of a mass extinction. The question is: can we change, stop degradation and start living a more ecologically balanced life?

As with the reviewer, it seems that for many scholars the answer is positive only if human impacts started with domestication and agriculture (later magnified by the industrial revolution), and negative if those began in ancient hunter-gatherers societies. Why? Because that would indicate that, since our early history as a species, we have never lived in balanced with the ecosystem.

Yet, if hunter-gatherers truly were the decisive factor in the LQE of much of the megafauna, weren’t they so impactful because of their socially transmitted technological achievements? Then, the root of these impacts is again cultural evolution and, by definition, culture is not a genetically inherited trait. Culture made us ecological dominant, but luckily culture changes faster than genes.

That our impacts have been largely negative does not bode well for the future; yet it cannot be taken as evidence of a genetically determined destructiveness, as suggested by essentialist interpretations. For most of our evolutionary history, we were unaware of the full extent of our ecological impact. Now we are, and that awareness itself is a cultural development. Rather than offering new means to exploit natural resources, this cultural shift provides the knowledge needed to change course, adopting a long-term perspective that places ecosystem health at its center. Whether this awareness will be enough to trigger the transition required to avert the crisis, and whether such a transition will occur in time, are different questions. I am not optimistic, but neither am I deterministic.

I tried to stress even more the link between the two parts. Changes are minor, as suggested by the editors, but they should make more evident the connection of the non-deterministic implications of potentially human induced LQE.

The conceptual fingerprints of the overkill model are found throughout the manuscript. Unfortunately, the use of overkill in the argument automatically forces the discussion of human impacts to destructiveness as an inherent and fixed trait.

The reviewer seems to fall in the trap of genetic determinism.

For instance, as I wrote in the article, organisms evolve to maximize fitness. No doubts the genetic predisposition for this is strong in us too (otherwise, probably, we would not be here). Yet, in the current highly modified environmental context, one which is largely driven by culture, fertility rates are decreasing almost everywhere and are negative in several western countries. This is not happening because of coercive measures. In fact, in some of these countries, my own included, there are incentives to have more children. Yet, for a complex variety of reasons, most couples decide to have fewer children. An inherent propensity to fertility does not prevent its reduction: culture overcomes genetic predisposition.

Can we achieve an analogous change in the (cultural) environment, so that our ecological impacts are rapidly reduced and brought under control? In theory, this is possible, and this possibility is not negated even if anthropogenic impacts may have accompanied most of our evolutionary history.

However, the second half of the manuscript argues for the ability of humans, through culture, to overcome environmental challenges. In other words, the first half is based on the argument of the fixed nature of human behavior, while the second half leans into the idea that human behavior can strive for solutions. To be logically consistent, the manuscript could retain the LQE premise with its fixed human behavior and dedicate the second half to documenting modern destruction, with no solutions or hope.

A predisposition for a certain behaviour does not mean that the behaviour is “fixed”. See my example above about fertility and reproduction.

As I wrote in the paper, “We may be ‘destructive by nature’ with a long chain of anthropogenic extinctions that begins 50,000 ya, if not earlier. However, ... the most profound changes for us and the planet are much more recent and, mostly driven by culture”. If destructiveness is a ‘by-product’ of a predisposition to cumulative culture, the predisposition remains but the direction of the cultural trajectory can be changed. Will that happen? Highly unlikely does not mean impossible.

Alternatively, the manuscript could be reoriented to shift the prehistoric narrative to focus on human behavior as situationally diverse and creative to support the potential for humans to mitigate environmental conditions.

Human behaviour varies widely, I agree. Also the responsibility for the current crisis varies, as I acknowledged in an entire section (“Change and responsibility: Who bears the burden for the 21st-century environmental crisis?”) dedicated to this topic. Yet, the terrestrial megafauna collapsed as it never happened before in the entire Cenozoic and today ecosystems, devoid of a large and representative megafauna component, are further massively degraded.

Of course, we cannot exclude that LQE were exclusively driven by natural climate change. That seems increasingly unlikely. Regardless, I stated why I make this assumption and fully acknowledged its uncertainty.

For clarity, I added a sentence in the last section in which I stress again the diversity of human societies but also the pervasive evidence of ancient impacts across all terrestrial habitats.

Much of what is described in the second section on the impacts of LQE would have occurred whether it was caused by climate change or human predation.

This is true, but the scale and ecological consequences of the event must be made clear: it was not merely the disappearance of a few hundred large animal species; the entire terrestrial ecosystem was fundamentally transformed by their extinction. For me, this was not a trivial realization. This section is also fully referenced and is not ‘philosophy for its own sake’, but an argument grounded in evidence.

The quotes and examples referring to indigenous peoples should be removed (page 3, line 43; page 8, line 40; page 11, line 14). The first paragraph suggests that the concept of “survival of the fittest” justifies destructive colonial actions. Given the positionality of Western research relative to indigenous peoples in colonial contexts, we should be thoughtful about using their words and experiences in our argumentation.

As in Ghosh (2021), from whom I borrowed that quotation, its purpose is precisely the opposite: to illustrate that technological superiority in warfare may be a factual condition, yet it provides no moral justification for domination, colonialism and genocide. By the same reasoning, humanity’s technological dominance over “non-human nature” offers no justification for environmental destruction or ecocide.

I regret that the reviewer overlooked this conclusion, which I explicitly emphasized multiple times, as I also stressed the role of inequality and the overwhelming responsibility of Western societies. For instance, among many other relevant quotes from the paper:

• “Today, few would accept genocide, and ecocide, as inevitability of being humans”.

• “The demise of native populations conquered by a technologically superior invader is just a special within-species case of a broader phenomenon of human ecological dominance”.

• “Palaeolithic hunter-gatherers were initially unaware of the consequences of their impact. Unlike them, in sharp contrast, but similarly to General Carleton, we know we are leading other life forms to extinctions”.

• “If anything, clarifying similarities and differences between human-driven extinction events, and the related large-scale loss of ecosystemic balance, contributes to understand how the massive inequality within and among nations in the more recent history of humanity is at the base of the current environmental emergency and, thus, a priority to address for any effective solution to the planetary crisis”.

• “Furthermore, the benefits of ‘progress’ were and are highly unequally distributed, and originate from colonialism and economic imperialism (Ghosh 2021; Hickel et al. 2022; Lewis and Maslin 2020; Ross 2017) that can be seen as an intraspecific variant of supremacism … Environmental impact interacts with social injustice, as it hits harder the poorest among people and nations, ironically, precisely those who contributed the least to the crisis (Chancel 2022; Fletcher et al. 2024; Wilkinson and Pickett 2024)”.

There is also an entire paragraph, where I cite Segerstråle, explaining why inferring moral judgement from scientific knowledge (including evolutionary theory) is often likely to mislead.

Thus, the parallel I draw is essential to the argument that supremacist views are always morally wrong, whether they occur within our species (as in gender, racial, or religious hierarchies) or across species (as in anthropocentrism, speciesism, or exceptionalism). While I left the main quotation, I have now have removed part of the sentences that were misunderstood. I hope this helps, but I recognize that deeply held preconceptions may continue to shape interpretation. This challenge applies to the paper as a whole: it is an observable fact that modern humans have become a geological force, but it does not follow that such power morally justifies our dominance over life and ecosystems.

Much of the critique of modern societies, such as “the will to dominate” (page 15, line 52) and supremacy over nature, is related to Western ideologies rather than a global trait of humans. This discussion itself could further support the argument that human beliefs and actions vary. However, as it stands, it could be used to support the fixed nature of humans.

There is an entire section making clear that it is mostly Western industrialized societies that are to be blamed for the current crisis. Sadly, the vast majority of modern nations are following the Western example.

I am not arguing that hunter-gatherers, if they really caused the collapse of the LQ megafauna, did it with a “will to dominate”. If that happened, there was neither intentionality nor (at least for most of the event) awareness, as I explicitly wrote. Nonetheless, human impacts are so profound, widespread, and historically deep that it is now widely acknowledged to be difficult, if not impossible, to identify any truly pristine terrestrial habitat (see added sentence and relative references). Even the Amazon is revealing extensive evidence of past anthropogenic influence. The human footprint on the environment appears virtually everywhere. Yet, as I noted, agriculture first and the Industrial Revolution later amplified these impacts to an unprecedented degree, with a quantitatively demonstrated predominance of Western nations in driving this transformation.

There is an argument that group-level selection may occur within humans when we think of solutions related to mitigating the tragedy of the commons. Laws, policies, and cultural norms become a means of constraining individual behavior to benefit the group. Thus, it could support a way for humans to reduce their environmental impact and become more a part of nature. One thing that humans do that stands out is that we excel at creating a great deal of intra-generational phenotypic variability for evolutionary processes to play around with. To constrain our views on human potential as fixed and hard-wired seems like a limiting belief we should avoid.

I agree on the conclusions in the last two sentences. That is indeed the point I make when I argue that there is a potential for positive change.

I prefer to avoid referring to group-level selection. I am not an expert. The concept remains debated and, at least for me, difficult to grasp in all its theoretical detail. Moreover, I am not sure that group selection could effectively be applied to global cooperation. By definition, it operates through competition among groups and therefore tends to promote in-group cohesion rather than inclusiveness and diversity. Even if group selection did play a role during human evolution, it would have acted in small, relatively cohesive societies. It is therefore not straightforward to see how such dynamics could apply to large, complex, and institutionally rigid nation-states. Yet, as I wrote, I am not an expert, may be wrong but prefer to avoid a digression on such a complex issue.

Reviewer: 2

Comments to the Author

This sort of philosophical musing about the long-term meaning or implications of events and processes in the past does not resolve issues raised in the text. There are no empirical facts, no testing of hypotheses, no falsifying of hypotheses – and therefore no scientific support for either of the polarized positions implied in the manuscript – “anthropomorphic supremacy” (evolution of inevitable human destructiveness) or something else (to be aspired to, such as changing human views towards restoring/conserving ecosystems). Authoritarian religions and hyper-capitalism direct humans to exploit their supremacy, which prehistoric Homo sapiens also might have been in the process of accepting, especially when globally expanding their range.

Anthropogenic dominance is a fact. When did it start? The paper acknowledges that we do not yet know if it is a feature of modernity (since the agricultural revolution), whose negative consequences accelerated with capitalism and industrialization, or something with a longer history. My point is that, even if it had a longer history (which we cannot exclude – evidence provided in the article, including about its large uncertainties), that does not imply inevitability. Why? Because our behaviour is phenotype; phenotype is product of the interaction of genes and the environment, including culture which creates our hugely extended phenotype (evidence provided here too); and, therefore, assuming we find a way to do it (the hardest part), we have the potential to change our behaviour, make it less destructive and become part of a balanced ecosystem.

I agree with the reviewer: this is a rather philosophical paper; it is not a test of hypotheses. Whether this is compatible with the journal aims, it is an editorial decision, positive or negative, that I can only accept.

Recommendation: Destructive by nature? What human-driven extinctions of mammoths and mastodons mean for today’s planetary environmental crisis — R1/PR7

Comments

Thank you for addressing the reviews in your revised manuscript. I am happy to accept the manuscript for publication.

Decision: Destructive by nature? What human-driven extinctions of mammoths and mastodons mean for today’s planetary environmental crisis — R1/PR8

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