1 Introduction
In [Reference Eagle, Goldbring, McNicholl and MillerEGMM], we initiated the study of the effective content of the construction of the K-theory of a
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra. In particular, we constructed a computable functor that takes as input a c.e. presentation of a
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra
$\mathbf {A}$
and outputs a c.e. presentation of the group
$K_0(\mathbf {A})$
and another such functor outputting a c.e. presentation of
$K_1(\mathbf {A})$
. In some cases, such as when
$\mathbf {A}$
is an AF algebra, our functor maps computable presentations of
$\mathbf {A}$
to computable presentations of
$K_0(\mathbf {A})$
(see [Reference Eagle, Goldbring and McNichollEGM, Main Theorem 3]). This naturally raises the question of whether there is a
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra
$\mathbf {A}$
such that
$\mathbf {A}$
has a computable presentation but
$K_0(\mathbf {A})$
does not (see [Reference Eagle, Goldbring, McNicholl and MillerEGMM, Question 2.17]). In this note, we give an example of a
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra
$\mathbf {A}$
such that
$\mathbf {A}$
has a computable presentation but neither
$K_0(\mathbf {A})$
nor
$K_1(\mathbf {A})$
has a computable presentation. We refer the reader to [Reference Eagle, Goldbring, McNicholl and MillerEGMM] for background on computability theory for
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebras and the computable
$K_0$
and
$K_1$
functors.
2 A group with no computable presentation
Fix, for the remainder of the note, a set
$R \subseteq \mathbb {N}$
that is c.e. but not computable (e.g., we can take
$R = 0'$
, the halting problem). Enumerate the prime numbers in order as
$(p_n)_{n \in \mathbb {N}}$
.
For each
$n \in \mathbb {N}$
, set
For the rest of the note, set
$G = \bigoplus _{n \in \mathbb {N}}G_n$
.
Proposition 2.1 There is no computable presentation of the group G.
Proof Suppose, toward a contradiction, that
$G^\#$
is a computable presentation of G. Let
$P = \{n \in \mathbb {N} : G \text { contains an element of order }p_n\}$
. Note that G has an element of order
$p_n$
if and only if
$G_n = \mathbb {Z}/p_n\mathbb {Z}$
if and only if
$n \not \in R$
, that is,
$P = \mathbb {N} \setminus R$
.
Since
$G^\#$
is computable, we can use it to successively compute the orders of each element of G, whence P is a c.e. set. Since R was chosen to be a c.e. set, this implies that R is a computable set, contradicting our choice of R.
Remark 2.2 It is not too difficult to show that the above group G admits a c.e. presentation. However, using [Reference Eagle, Goldbring, McNicholl and MillerEGMM, Corollary 2.16], this will be a consequence of the fact that G is isomorphic to
$K_0(\mathbf {A})$
for a computably presentable
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra
$\mathbf {A}$
.
3 Non-computable
$K_0$
For each
$n \in \mathbb {N}$
, set
Here,
$\mathcal {O}_k$
is the Cuntz algebra on k generators, that is,
$\mathcal {O}_k$
is the universal
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra generated by partial isometries
$s_1, \ldots , s_k$
such that each
$s_i^*s_i=1$
and
$\sum _{i=1}^ks_is_i^* = 1$
. It is well-known that each
$\mathcal {O}_k$
is simple [Reference CuntzCun77, Remarks after Theorem 1.12] and has
$K_0(\mathcal {O}_k) \cong \mathbb {Z}/(k-1)\mathbb {Z}$
[Reference CuntzCun81, Theorem 3.7]. We will also need the fact that the standard presentations of the Cuntz algebras are computable, uniformly in k (see [Reference FoxFox24, Corollary 3.16]).
Lemma 3.1 The algebras
$\mathbf {B}_n$
have computable presentations, uniformly in n.
Proof We begin by noting that it suffices to show that each
$\mathbf {B}_n$
has a c.e. presentation, uniformly in n. Indeed, by a result of Fox [Reference FoxFox24, Theorem 3.14], any c.e. presentation of a simple
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra is computable (and the proof shows that the computability of the presentation is indeed uniform in the c.e. presentation).
Toward this end, fix n and fix a computable enumeration
$(R_s)_{s\in \mathbb {N}}$
of R, that is,
$R_s$
consists of those natural numbers that have been determined to belong to R by stage s. Let
$q_k$
denote the kth special point of the standard presentation of
$\mathcal {O}_{p_n+1}$
. For all
$k,s\in \mathbb {N}$
with
$s\geq k$
, we define
$p_{k,s}\in \mathbf {B}_n$
as follows:
-
• If $n\notin R_s$
, set
$p_{k,s}:=q_k$
. -
• If $n\in R_s\setminus R_k$
, set
$p_{k,s}:=0$
. -
• If $n\in R_k$
, set
$p_{k,s}:=1$
.
If
$s<k$
, we declare that
$p_{k,s}$
is undefined. Given
$k\in \mathbb {N}$
, note that
$p_{k,s}$
is eventually defined and constant; we denote this eventual constant value by
$p_k$
and we set
${Q:=\{p_k \ : \ k\in \mathbb {N}\}}$
.
Next note that in the case that
$n\notin R$
, we have
$p_k=q_k$
for all k. On the other hand, if
$n\in R$
and
$s_0\in \mathbb {N}$
is the least s for which
$n\in R_s$
, then we have
$p_k=0$
for
$k<s_0$
and
$p_k=1$
for
$k\geq s_0$
. As a result, in either case, Q generates a dense
$*$
-subalgebra of
$\mathbf {B}_n$
, whence we may consider
$p_k$
as the kth special point of a presentation
$\mathbf {B}_n^\#$
of
$\mathbf {B}_n$
.
It remains to observe that
$\mathbf {B}_n^\#$
is a c.e. presentation of
$\mathbf {B}_n$
, uniformly in n. To see this, consider a rational
$*$
-polynomial
$\rho (x_0,\ldots ,x_m)$
. Let
$(r_s)_{s\in \mathbb {N}}$
be a computable nonincreasing sequence converging to
$\|\rho (q_0,\ldots ,q_m)\|$
in
$\mathcal {O}_{p_{n+1}}$
. We define a sequence
$(t_s)_{s\geq m}$
as follows. If
$n\notin A_s$
, set
$t_s:=r_s$
. If
$n\in R_s\setminus R_k$
, set
$t_s:=\rho (\vec 0)$
. If
$n\in R_k$
, set
$t_s:=\rho (\vec 1)$
. It follows that
$(t_s)_{s\in \mathbb {N}}$
is a computable nonincreasing sequence, uniformly in n, which converges to
$\rho (p_0,\ldots ,p_m)$
, completing the proof.
Set
$\mathbf {B} = \bigoplus _{n \in \mathbb {N}}\mathbf {B}_n$
.
Proposition 3.2
$\mathbf {B}$
has a computable presentation.
Proof Using Lemma 3.1, fix presentations
$\mathbf {B}_n^\#$
for the algebras
$\mathbf {B}_n$
such that these presentations are computable uniformly in n. For each N, set
$\mathbf {B}_N = \bigoplus _{n=1}^N\mathbf {B}_n$
. Then each
$\mathbf {B}_N$
has a computable presentation
$\mathbf {B}_N^\#$
, uniformly in N, obtained by taking the direct sum of the presentations
$\mathbf {B}_1^\#, \ldots , \mathbf {B}_N^\#$
. The inductive limit presentation constructed from the presentations
$\mathbf {B}_N^\#$
as described in [Reference GoldbringGol24, Section 2] is then a computable presentation of
$\lim _{N}\mathbf {B}_N=\mathbf {B}$
, by [Reference GoldbringGol24, Lemma 2.7(3)].
Theorem 3.3
$K_0(\mathbf {B}) \cong G$
and
$K_1(\mathbf {B}) = 0$
.
Proof If
$n \in R,$
then
$\mathbf {B}_n = \mathbb {C}$
, so
$K_0(\mathbf {B}_n) = \mathbb{Z}$
, while if
$n \not \in R,$
then
$\mathbf {B}_n = \mathcal {O}_{p_n+1}$
, so
$K_0(\mathbf {B}_n) = \mathbb {Z}/p_n\mathbb {Z}$
. That is,
$K_0(\mathbf {B}_n) = G_n$
for all n.
Applying the fact that
$K_0$
commutes with direct sums and direct limits [Reference Rørdam, Larsen and LaustsenRLL00, Proposition 4.3.4 and Theorem 6.3.2], we have
Putting together the results so far, we have the following corollary.
Corollary 3.4
$\mathbf {B}$
is a computably presentable
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra and
$K_0(\mathbf {B})$
has no computable presentation.
4 Non-computable
$K_1$
Using the algebra
$\mathbf {B}$
from the previous section, let
$\mathbf {C}$
be the suspension of
$\mathbf {B}$
, that is,
$\mathbf {C} = S\mathbf {B} := C_0(0, 1) \otimes \mathbf {B}$
.
Proposition 4.1
$\mathbf {C}$
has a computable presentation.
Proof This follows immediately from Proposition 3.2 and [Reference Eagle, Goldbring, McNicholl and MillerEGMM, Lemma 3.1].
Proposition 4.2
$K_0(\mathbf {C}) \cong G$
and
$K_1(\mathbf {C}) = 0$
.
Proof Since
$\mathbf {C} = S\mathbf {B}$
, we have
$K_0(\mathbf {C}) \cong K_1(\mathbf {B})$
and
$K_1(\mathbf {C}) \cong K_0(\mathbf {B})$
(see [Reference Rørdam, Larsen and LaustsenRLL00, Theorem 10.1.3 and Corollary 11.3.1]).
We therefore have the following corollary.
Corollary 4.3
$\mathbf {C}$
is a computably presentable
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra and
$K_1(\mathbf {C})$
has no computable presentation.
5 The main examples
Putting together the examples from the previous two sections, we get a single computably presentable
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra where neither
$K_0$
nor
$K_1$
is computably presented.
Theorem 5.1 There is a computably presentable
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra
$\mathbf {A}$
such that neither
$K_0(\mathbf {A})$
nor
$K_1(\mathbf {A})$
are computably presentable.
Proof Using the algebras
$\mathbf {B}$
and
$\mathbf {C}$
defined earlier, let
$\mathbf {A} = \mathbf {B} \oplus \mathbf {C}$
. The algebra
$\mathbf {A}$
has a computable presentation because
$\mathbf {B}$
and
$\mathbf {C}$
have computable presentations.
As mentioned above,
$K_0$
commutes with direct sums, so Propositions 3.3 and 4.2 yield that
Likewise,
$K_1$
commutes with direct sums [Reference Rørdam, Larsen and LaustsenRLL00, Proposition 8.2.6], so we have
By Proposition 2.1, neither
$K_0(\mathbf {A})$
nor
$K_1(\mathbf {A})$
has a computable presentation.
Finally, we reach our main result.
Theorem 5.2 There is a computably presentable, unital, nuclear
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra
$\mathbf {D}$
such that neither
$K_0(\mathbf {D})$
nor
$K_1(\mathbf {D})$
is computably presentable.
Proof Let
$\mathbf {D}$
be the unitization of the algebra
$\mathbf {A}$
used in the proof of Theorem 5.1. Note that since each
$\mathbf {B}_n$
is nuclear,
$\mathbf {D}$
is nuclear as well. Since
$\mathbf {A}$
has a computable presentation,
$\mathbf {D}$
does as well by [Reference Eagle, Goldbring, McNicholl and MillerEGMM, Proposition 2.21]. We have
$K_1(\mathbf {D}) \cong K_1(\mathbf {A})$
[Reference Rørdam, Larsen and LaustsenRLL00, Equation (8.4)], so
$K_1(\mathbf {D})$
has no computable presentation.
For
$K_0$
, we have
$K_0(\mathbf {D}) \cong K_0(\mathbf {A}) \oplus \mathbb {Z}$
[Reference Rørdam, Larsen and LaustsenRLL00, Example 4.3.5]. Since
$G \oplus \mathbb{Z} \cong G$
,
$K_0(\mathbf{D}))$
has no computable presentation.
6 A stably finite example
The algebra
$\mathbf {D}$
in the previous section is infinite in the sense that it has a proper isometry. As mentioned in the introduction, AF algebras have the property that any computable presentation of them yields a computable induced presentation on the
$K_0$
group. Since AF algebras are finite, one might suspect that the distinction at play here is the finite versus infinite one. In this section, we show that one can in fact find stably finite
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebras satisfying the conclusion of Theorem 5.2.
For each
$n\geq 2$
, let
$\Gamma _n:=\langle a,b \ | \ bab^{-1}=a^n\rangle $
, the so-called Baumslag–Solitar group
$BS(1,n)$
. The following lemma captures the key facts we need about the group
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebras of the Baumslag–Solitar groups.
Lemma 6.1 For every
$n \geq 2$
,
$C^*(\Gamma _n)$
is a stably finite residually finite-dimensional
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra and has
$K_0(C^*(\Gamma _n)) \cong \mathbb {Z}$
and
$K_1(C^*(\Gamma _n)) \cong \mathbb {Z} \oplus \mathbb {Z}/(n-1)\mathbb {Z}$
.
Proof We may view
$\Gamma _n = \langle a, b \ | \ bab^{-1} = a^n\rangle $
as a semi-direct product
$\mathbb {Z}[1/n]\rtimes \mathbb {Z}$
, where the
$\mathbb {Z}$
factor corresponds to the subgroup
$\langle b \rangle ,$
which acts by taking nth powers. Thus,
$\Gamma _n$
is an extension of
$\mathbb {Z}[1/n]$
by
$\mathbb {Z}$
, and hence is an (elementary) amenable group. Therefore,
$C^*(\Gamma _n) \cong C^*_r(\Gamma _n)$
(see [Reference Brown and OzawaBO08, Theorem 2.6.8]). It thus suffices to show that
$C^*_r(\Gamma _n)$
is residually finite dimensional and stably finite. The latter property is shared by all reduced group
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebras, because they have faithful tracial states (see [Reference Brown and OzawaBO08, Proposition 2.5.3]), so we only need to show that
$C^*_r(\Gamma _n)$
is residually finite dimensional.
Each
$\Gamma _n$
is a linear group, as it is isomorphic to the subgroup
of
$\operatorname {GL}_2(\mathbb {C})$
. Thus, by [Reference Bekka and LouvetBL00, Theorem 4.3], each
$C^*_r(\Gamma _n)$
is residually finite dimensional. Again, we have
$C^*(\Gamma _n) \cong C^*_r(\Gamma _n)$
, so the former is also residually finite dimensional. The statements about the K-theory of
$C^*(\Gamma _n)$
are proved in [Reference Pooya and ValettePV18, Theorem 1].
Now define
$\mathbf {B}_n$
as in Section 3, except replace
$\mathcal {O}_{p_n+1}$
by
$C^*(\Gamma _{p_n+1})$
when
$n\notin R$
. Equip
$C^*(\Gamma _{p_n+1})$
with its standard presentation. Now one observes that Lemma 3.1 continues to hold in this setting. Indeed, the standard presentation of
$C^*(\Gamma _{p_n+1})$
is clearly c.e. uniformly in n. Moreover, this presentation is in fact computable uniformly in n by [Reference FoxFox24, Theorem 3.5], since
$C^*(\Gamma _{p_n+1})$
is residually finite dimensional, thereby establishing Lemma 3.1 with the redefined
$\mathbf {B}_n$
. As a result, setting
$\mathbf {B}:=\bigoplus _n \mathbf {B}_n$
, we have that
$K_1(\mathbf {B})\cong G$
, where G is the group admitting no computable presentation defined in Section 2, and
$K_0(\mathbf {B}) = \bigoplus _n \mathbb {Z}$
. The algebra
$\mathbf {B}$
is stably finite because each
$\mathbf {B}_n$
is stably finite. We also note that since each
$\Gamma _n$
is amenable each
$\mathbf {B}_n$
is nuclear, and hence
$\mathbf {B}$
is nuclear as well.
We have thus found a stably finite
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra
$\mathbf {B}$
that is computably presentable (the validity of Proposition 3.2 depended only on the conclusion of Lemma 3.1) for which
$K_1(\mathbf {B})$
is not computably presentable. Setting
$\mathbf {A}:=\widetilde {S\mathbf {B}}$
, the unitization of the suspension of
$\mathbf {B}$
, we have that
$K_0(\mathbf {A})\cong K_1(\mathbf {B})\oplus \mathbb Z\cong G\oplus \mathbb {Z}\cong G$
. Note also that
$\mathbf {A}$
is computably presentable, stably finite and that
$K_1(\mathbf {A})\cong K_0(\mathbf {B})=\bigoplus _n \mathbb {Z}$
. Finally, setting
$\mathbf {E}:=\mathbf {A}\oplus \mathbf {B}$
yields a computably presentable, stably finite
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra with
$K_0(\mathbf {E})\cong K_0(\mathbf {A})\oplus K_0(\mathbf {B})\cong G$
and
$K_1(\mathbf {E})\cong K_1(\mathbf {A}) \oplus K_1(\mathbf {B})\cong G$
, neither of which are computably presentable. In summary, we have shown the following theorem.
Theorem 6.2 There is a computably presentable, stably finite, unital, nuclear
$\mathrm {C}^*$
-algebra
$\mathbf {E}$
such that neither
$K_0(\mathbf {E})$
nor
$K_1(\mathbf {E})$
has a computable presentation.
Acknowledgements
The results of this note were obtained during the authors’ visit to the American Institute of Mathematics (AIM) in January 2026 as part of their SQuaREs program. The authors thank AIM for their hospitality and for creating a wonderful working environment during the writing of this article.






