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Towards modelling emergence in plant systems

Published online by Cambridge University Press:  10 July 2023

Melissa Tomkins*
Affiliation:
Computational and Systems Biology, John Innes Centre, Norwich, United Kingdom
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Corresponding author: Melissa Tomkins; Email: Melissa.Tomkins@jic.ac.uk

Abstract

Plants are complex systems made up of many interacting components, ranging from architectural elements such as branches and roots, to entities comprising cellular processes such as metabolic pathways and gene regulatory networks. The collective behaviour of these components, along with the plant’s response to the environment, give rise to the plant as a whole. Properties that result from these interactions and cannot be attributed to individual parts alone are called emergent properties, occurring at different time and spatial scales. Deepening our understanding of plant growth and development requires computational tools capable of handling a large number of interactions and a multiscale approach connecting properties across scales. There currently exist few methods able to integrate models across scales, or models capable of predicting new emergent plant properties. This perspective explores current approaches to modelling emergent behaviour in plants, with a focus on how current and future tools can handle multiscale plant systems.

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Figure 1. The growth and form of plants are influenced by interconnected processes that occur at different temporal and spatial scales. For instance, the growth of roots is affected by local factors such as soil composition, water and nutrient availability, as well as plant properties like the location of primordia, growth rates, and root growth angle. These interactions result in the formation of the root structure, which in turn affects the transport of water and nutrients, and shapes the overall plant structure and form, including the shape of individual cells. This structure also affects photosynthesis through factors such as the availability of chloroplasts and shading. On a cellular level, processes like gene expression and metabolism have an impact on photosynthesis and cell-to-cell communication. This limited example illustrates how the emergent properties of plants arise from underlying interactions and how these properties can further impact the interactions that gave rise to them.

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Figure 2. Formalisms such as L-systems and MTGs allow for the generation of complex plant shapes and fields of individual plants. (a) L-systems enable the encoding of a complex structure within simple, iterative rules, as demonstrated by this monopodial tree-like structure and plant. Tree and plant rendered in Blender, using the lsystem add-on (https://github.com/krljg/lsystem). Script for defining these systems taken from code based on Prusinkiewicz and Lindenmayer (1990) (b) Interactions between the underlying rules for the structure development and environmental conditions can allow for different structures to emerge, such as for the squash (left) and bean (right) root systems generated with OpenRootSim (Postma et al., 2017), rendered in Blender. Entire fields (d) can be generated based on a single plant (c) with AMAPstudio (Griffon & de Coligny, 2012).

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Figure 3. Individual-based models provide a perfect, iterative testing ground for hypotheses based on experimental data. An IBM developed in the agent-based modelling environment, Netlogo (Wilensky, 1999), demonstrates how spikelet initiation depends upon the expression of two classes of genes: SEP and SVP (Backhaus et al., 2022). The model uses expression of SEP and SVP class genes to predict when meristems (red) produce leaf tissue (green) and when they switch to producing spike tissue (yellow). SVP suppresses SEP expression, with SVP expression itself starting to decrease once flowering is triggered, allowing SEP expression to increase (top-right graph). The middle and bottom graphs depict the gradients of SEP and SVP expression, respectively, from the basal to the apical spikelets. Leaf initiation rates are suppressed by SEP, whereas spikelet initiation requires SEP. The opposing gradients of these two genes result in delayed vegetative to floral transition of the basal spikelets.

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Figure 4. The CellBlender module for Blender can be used for the fast creation of simplified 3D cell models represent a limited number of relevant reactions. This screenshot is taken from the example model ‘Organelle’, and shows the interaction between surface and internal molecules of two organelles. At the start of the simulation, molecule A (dark blue) is located within the cell, outside of the organelles, and molecule B (light blue) is within organelle 2 (right). A molecules can be transported into organelle 2, through interactions with a surface molecule (green), where they interact with B molecules to produce C molecules (pink). C molecules can then interact with the surface molecule to be translocated into the cell. CellBlender development is supported by the NIGMS-funded (P41GM103712) National Center for Multiscale Modeling of Biological Systems (MMBioS).

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Figure 5. Integrated models of plant development can potentially be built using a modular approach that connects different models of underlying components, ranging from the cellular to the organ level. However, the large differences in temporal and spatial scales, underlying frameworks, and implementations complicate the linking of different modelling formalisms.

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Figure 6. For a system to exhibit constraint closure, all of its processes (red) have to have at least one constraint (blue), and generate at least one other constraint for another process. Constraint closure allows the dynamics of the system to self-organise, and for the emergence of new properties in response to changes in conditions such as nutrient concentration, light and temperature. Figure based on Montévil and Mossio (2015).

Author comment: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R0/PR1

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Submission of manuscript “Modelling of emergence in plant systems across scales” for the special collection on ‘Emergent Behaviour in Plants’

Dear Quantitative Plant Biology Editors,

I wish to submit my manuscript “Modelling of emergence in plant systems across scales” for consideration in the special collection on ‘Emergent Behaviour in Plants’ in Quantitative Plant Biology.

This review shows how an emergent perspective for plant systems across spatial and temporal scales has increased our understanding of the mechanisms behind processes including plant patterns across landscapes, plant response to pathogens, the success of invasive species, the development of plant form and function, and the interactions and networks within a cell. Furthermore, in this review I propose that a multi-scale framework integrating different complex models would constitute a valuable tool to explore how the individual model assumptions, and the interactions between the models, influence plant system level behaviour.

Many technologies currently exist for modelling plant systems, from the ecological down to the cellular level, and this review summarises the current research, discussing the considerations behind selecting each approach. As such, it will be of great interest to modellers, and quantitative plant biologists who are interested in understanding the spatio-temporal complexity of plants and plant systems.

I think that Quantitative Plant Biology would be an ideal journal for this review that would allow it to reach its target readership most effectively.

I thank you for your consideration and look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Melissa Tomkins

Corresponding Author:

Melissa S. Tomkins

Department of Computational and Systems Biology

The John Innes Centre

Norwich Research Park

Norwich NR4 7UH

Email: melissa.tomkins@jic.ac.uk

Review: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R0/PR2

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Comments

Nice summarizing opinion paper. The author proposes that ‘understanding and predicting plant form and function requires <…> a multiscale approach able to link together emergent properties across different scales’. While I wholeheartedly agree with this statement, it is by no means a novel view. This proposition has been put forward in some shape or form in various other such works in the recent and less recent past. While this does not invalidate the current manuscript, I do feel the author does not make explicitly clear what novel approach modelling plant systems really needs right now.

Abstract

• The abstract contains too many abstract terms. Please make sure the abstract becomes more concrete and clear by shortly defining (or give examples of) ‘plant systems’, ‘components’, ‘parts’, ‘interactions’, ‘properties’.

Introduction

• Please try to be concrete and close to the subject of this study, the plant. What does it really mean that ‘plants self-organise into patterns’? A plant is a pattern? In what? Intuitively I understand what the author wants to say, but I challenge the author to write such things down with in more directly understandable terms.

• The introduction seems to communicate plant structure and functioning is the emergent property of interactions between all underlying components. Only at the end of the second paragraph, the author acknowledges the role of ‘the environment’. I propose the role of environmental influence on plant structure and functioning to be stressed from the start, as plants are so well known to be able to tailor their functioing as well as their shape to the environment they live in. They are highly plastic in that sense, and I feel this aspect is underrepresented in the introduction. Of course this plasticity has a genetic nature, so this link could be made.

Spatial patterns in the distribution of land plants

• This section focuses on the mechanisms governing distribution of plants in an area, and feels a bit disconnected from the introduction. 1) In the firsat half of the introduction, there the focus was much more on the emergence of plant functioning based on interactions between plant internal processes, rather than between individual plants given rise to specific patterns. The whole DNA paragraph does not apply to this section on spatial patterns at all. 2) The second half of the intro does treat such spatial patterns but deals with animals, and is merely meant to explain the terms emergence and self-organisation; so also this part of the introduction does not seem to link naturally to the current section on spatial patterns of land plants. I recommend the author to try to make the introduction a bit more balanced to cover both the plant as an emergent property itself, as well as the driver of higher-scale emergent properties such as plant distribution patterns.

• PDE is introduced as a abbeviation twice. Please remove the second instance (end of paragraph 1 on page 5).

Emergence of plants stucture and function

• The (Bongers 2020) reference seems to be missing from the literature list.

• The line ‘Once we reduce growth to modules and the links between them, then increasing or reducing complexity becomes a simple question of adding or removing modules’ is not completely clear. ‘Growth’ in plants is the increase in biomass and/or size, which in FSPMs is usually simulated as the increase in these traits of the modules themselves. Adding modules could also represent growth, seeing the use of modules makes growth of the whole plant a discrete process; however oftentimes adding modules relates more to development of plants rather than growth, i.e. the appearance of new organs that where not there before, like a new leaf or new side root. Please consider this and possibly reword this line.

• Expanding on my earlier remark, I feel this section does not do justice to the immense fexilibity of plants to adapt to their growth environment, shaped by surrounding plants. Plants are extremely plastic and this is often captured by such models by combining both the underlying internal rules as well as the effect of shade/nutrient depletion, etc. Please see if this aspect can be improved to make this piece more generally applicable.

Emergence of cells and their functions

• I feel ‘a complete representation of the inner workings of a cell’ is overstating it. This cannot be achieved, due to the simple fact we do not know yet of exactly all the inner workings. It will never be complete. Please tone this down.

• What I miss is a link between this section and the previous one on whole plants. In fact also a link to the section on plant distribution. Now, the three sections are basically isoloated descriptions treating 3 scale levels, but it would be very interesting to discuss the (im)possibilities and (in)sensibility of trying to make whole plants emergence from subcellular processes, or trying to make plant distributions the result of sub-plant processes. Spanning scales. This very much relates to the question what are the boudaries of the system of interest, at what level do I want to predict and thus at what level do mechanisms need to be defined. Perhaps this could be embedded in the discussion actually. The current discussion does go in this direction but mostly treat model complexity and not necessarily the number of scales crossed within a model, and whether or not that is useful at all.

Review: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R0/PR3

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Comments

This manuscript describes concepts of emergence and self organization in plants. The text describes a wide range of concepts and their application across multiple scales. There are many interesting ideas described in the manuscript, and it is potentially a good fit for QPB.

Some suggestions which would strengthen the manuscript:

The emphasis of the text appears to be on the modelling approaches used to simulate these processes. While examples are provided, they description is not particularly in depth. A detailed investigation of specific examples where these have yielded meaningful biological insights would provide the reader a greater insight into the value of such models.

A range of scales are covered ranging from cells to ecosystems. A more focused approach may be fruitful, allowing for a more detailed exploration of modelling concepts and their application in a given context. Perhaps the spatial-ecological scale as this is most clearly described.

The article’s exploration of the quantification of emergence could be strengthened for this submission to QPB. Quantitative approaches are not explored to a high degree in the text – for example statistical spatial analysis of patterns generated using models vs observed data. Quantitative network-based approached from the labs of Saket Navlakah, George Bassel and Zoran Nikoloski have applied these to the organism, tissue and cell levels, respectively. Engagement with this literature would strengthen the thesis of this manuscript.

Figure on Page 2 of the PDF- contains many concepts but it is not coherent. Ideas are placed in non-intuitive places, and linked in unexpected ways. It is not clear how the ideas are flowing based on this graphic.

Would it be possible to remake the figure in such a way that follows a clear logical flow? For example, Plant structure and plant function are separate boxes which have arrows pointing to FPSMs and Virtual Plants. It is not particularly clear what this means.

The introduction briefly explains some concepts in self organization and emergence. This is a very difficult thing to do as it is both introducing complex ideas while relying on the reader having an understanding of others (i.e. PDEs). Describing these concepts to a general plant science audience which does not rely upon them having intimate knowledge of different modelling approaches would make this more accessible.

Minor points:

Adding more references to the introduction would also be beneficial.

Text is in large blocks. Separating these into smaller paragraphs would make it easier to read.

Lack of line numbers makes it difficult to flag issues in text.

Instances where references were intended to be added but were not: “their resulting Turing patterns (refs)”

Recommendation: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R0/PR4

Comments

While both reviewers agree that the subject of the article is of interest, they have also indicated several major points in need of improvement. One such point is what this review -which in its subject is not novel- adds to existing work, and a clearer formulation of the directions the field should move towards in the discussion. Different parts of the paper are not always clearly or logically linked, and there is a strong focus on modeling approaches with less attention for what this has brought in terms of biological insight. We ask the author to carefully consider the reviewers suggestions to amend these issues.

Decision: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R0/PR5

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Author comment: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R1/PR6

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Review: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R1/PR7

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Comments

This review aims to discuss emergence in plants and their ecology, and different modelling approaches to study this. Specifically, one of the listed aims is to discuss how these models may be coupled to understand emergence across scales. I would first like to say that I agree with the premise and that the aims are interesting and ambitious. I was not familiar with some of the modelling formalisms that were discussed, so it has been already a useful resource for me – and I expect it could be useful for other people too. I would therefore like to see it published once some of the issues with the current version are addressed.

Some model formalisms are discussed at much greater length than others. Often, it remains unclear how the model works, what kinds of questions it addresses, and what actually emerges (and how) from lower-level interactions. This makes it difficult to see how these models were useful in revealing such emergence. There is also little discussion on how the models could be integrated in a conceptual or practical manner, which means that the aims of the review aren’t really reached. I’m also not sure that a strong case has been made for why we should aim for this integration – could you discuss in your introduction what questions we then address, that are still open now? Finally, while a large range of models is discussed, tissue-scale cell-based models of gene expression regulation are conspicuously missing, though they are such prime examples of emergence and may have good integration possibilities.

The review may benefit from constraining the scope a bit, to tie it closer together. There seems to be an emphasis on models to do with plant physiology and metabolism. If you limit the scope to that type of models and how they could be integrated, you could establish a clearer connection between levels and discuss the questions and models in greater depth. At that point, you could choose not to discuss those cellbased models I mentioned before if that is out of scope. Choose those models which you think are particularly suited for integration into others, and leave out those that are unfeasible.

Introduction: you make a distinction between self-organisation and emergence, which is nice but not entirely clear to me. Is self-organisation a form (or subset) of emergent behaviour? Is there a distinction to be made at what level the behaviour is -- ie with self-organisation, you focus on an ordered pattern of the individual components, while emergence can be at a much higher scale?

Specific lines:

L28-31: “To combat these challenges, plants have evolved a high level of structural and functional diversity, including complex signalling networks involving 1000s of molecules, such as proteins, nucleic acids, lipids, chromatin, and low-molecular weight compounds”

What do you mean with diversity? At which level, that of species, or diversity in the kinds of compounds they produce?

L 62: “individuals” – do you mean components?

L91: why do you also need statisticians? You made the case for models (and computational biology) only, and your review only considers simulation.

L219: You switch from morphogenesis to physiological models that don’t seem to actually model development, just take into account a fixed plant structure – this is a bi tconfusing. Or do FSPMs incorporate actual growth and development? If so, please make this clearer.

L159: what are these “individual plant dynamics” and why did they matter? You risk saying “it’s important” without showing why.

L188: why is that the goal? What question would this answer?

L 222: what are examples of such biological processes? You mention a model later, so it would be helpful to know what they included as “individual leaf processes” (L 227)

L245: didn’t the FSPM already divide the plant up into modules?

L259: Please replace the explanation about Lindenmayer with an explanation of what Lsystems do; and how can they be coupled to other levels, or how are they an example of emergence?

L271: What does MTG stand for?

L280: It seems that MTGs are just a data format then, not an actual model – What makes this different from other modular approaches?

L284: Why would one use spatial density functions, versus Lsystems or MTG or FSPMs? What are the emergent properties?

L352: Wasn’t morphographx the only cell-based model? The others seemed to have branches or leaves as the basic unit.

L367: probably missing a word here.

L370: what are modules here? The subcellular components?

L394: what do/can these particles represent?

L431: I can infer how these might be integrated with higher-level modules, but it would be good to describe that explicitly

L443: I find the discussion of GRNs quite odd – especially because there are various plant models (not discussed in this review) which do an excellent job of extracting the relevant GRN module for tissue patterning, showing how pattern emerges from gene interactions and tissue dynamics. Think of Henrik Jonsson’s and Kirsten ten Tusscher’s models, just to name two. They don’t represent all regulation going on in the cell, but that is not the point.

L448: I think discussing ML is an odd choice, since I’m not sure how they show emergence in plant biology. If included, please discuss this

Review: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R1/PR8

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The review discuses the concepts of emergence and self-organization in the context of plant development and ecosystems. In this context, it highlights 1) select models and frameworks that simulate plant patterns at different scales (eco-system, individual, architectural, cellular and sub-cellular) and 2) possible paths towards achieving multiscale simulations. These are interesting, actively researched topics. Moreover, despite longstanding efforts in many modeling communities, methods to easily and rigorously link the abstractions used to model biological systems at different scales are lacking. In this sense, the review is timely, and highlights a number of recent interesting works.

While I enjoyed the overall topic of the review, it comes across as somewhat inconsistent in it’s coverage of the area, as well as the conceptual underpinnings and difficulties that must be addressed in constructing multi-scale models.

I believe that the insights into methodologies for multiscale modeling need to be refined. A focus throughout appears to be that the use of modularization (the division of a model into well-defined sub-units) and abstraction (representing reality without attempting to recreate it exactly) are important paths towards the creation of multi-scale models. As these are both well-known and broadly applied model concepts, this perspective seems to underestimate the difficulties in establishing multi-scale modeling frameworks. Similarly, I feel the many difficulties incurred in building plant models that can account for the addition and removal of modules is likewise underestimated. For instance, formalisms like L-system that allow for the modeling of branching structures via the addition and removal of modules took several decades to develop. Equivalent formalisms able to handle growing cellular structures in a straight forward and extendible manner have yet to be properly developed.

There are several other aspects of the manuscript that make the coverage of materials seem inconsistent:

1) The manuscript discusses a limited slice of related works. It is never clearly articulated what reasoning guided the inclusion vs exclusion of examples, and source material. This makes the examples presented, as well as the conclusions drawn from them, feel much less compelling.

2) The description of source material and concepts is often superficial. General approaches and formalisms are not presented clearly enough to appreciate the key features or the distinctions between them. For example, despite having worked with L-systems, IBMs (agent-based models) and MTGs I could not reconcile the description with my understanding. Also, L-systems and IBMs are general enough that almost all phenomena at the ecosystem and architectural level can be modelled – thus teasing out the distinctions and relative advantages of each requires some subtlety. Similarly, a more complete presentation of GeMMs would be very helpful. At present, it seems difficult to understand the stated advantages and disadvantages of approaches without substantial review of the cited literature (beyond what I would expect in a review).

3) There is almost no comment on the substantial work modeling emergence at the scale of cellular tissues and organs in plants (for example, see Long and Boudaoud, Emergence of robust patterns from local rules during plant development, Current Opinion in Plant Biology 2019). As modeling tissues typically requites a graph-based topology (as opposed to a branching structure), it benefits from distinct formalisms (e.g. Cellular Potts, Virtual Leaf, Cell Complexes) and has led to issues and concepts that are somewhat distinct from those occurring at other scales.

Adding additional details and discussion to the manuscript may help address these concerns. Also, better indicating the scope as well as the intended audience for the review may help address these points. If presented more as a survey of some key recent works, the manuscript would feel more internally consistent (although the rationale for which works are considered in detail would need to be expanded).

Additional comments:

1) The use of module is confusing throughout, especially with regards to the topics discussed. In some cases it is used in an architectural sense (e.g. metamer, fruit or flower) and in other cases in a functional sense.

2) Some sentences are repeated almost verbatim, which should be avoided (e.g. Lines 58-61 & 39-40; )

3) Incorporating environmental heterogeneity is repeatedly highlighted as an issue for more coarse grained models (e.g. PDEs). However, these factors are often represented via continuous maps which are quite compatible with PDE based approaches. More details is required to appreciate what specific issues are being highlighted.

4) Starting on Line 293, MorphoGraphX is discussed. As this section is mostly focused on the macroscopic/architectural level (i.e. branching structures) this feels very out of place. MGX is intended for studies at the microscopic scale. Other tools are used to quantify 2d/3d organ form at macroscopic scales (e.g. geometric morphometrics, morphospaces, persistent homology, etc..).

Recommendation: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R1/PR9

Comments

Dear Melissa,

Due to unavailability of the reviewers that read the first version of your manuscript, a second set of reviewers was invited to evaluate the revised version of your manuscript. As you will see in their comments very similar issues were raised as by the first reviewers. After having a look at the manuscript myself I agree that these issues have indeed not yet been resolved.

Although we appreciate your efforts in revising the manuscript, it still appears to suffer from a lack of coherence and focus for it to deliver a strong message or conclusion, and as such it will require extensive major revisions. Both reviewers have provided concrete suggestions for such a revision. As an alternative to such extensive rewriting you may choose to submit your manuscript elsewhere.

Kind regards,

Kirsten ten Tusscher

Decision: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R1/PR10

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Author comment: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R2/PR11

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Review: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R2/PR12

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I appreciate that the author has made a lot of changes to the manuscript, and I think much has improved. The introduction reads like an introduction, and the models are better connected to each other. I think the focus on just plant- and cell level modelling also improved the review. However, there are still some general and particular things that need addressing.

The introduction states that the focus of the review is on “...formalisms that are able to characterise general rules for emergence in plant systems [..]”. But what are some of these general rules that were found with these formalisms? It would be good if this could be highlighted for each formalism; the specific models using these formalisms that are discussed seem to be addressing rather specific questions instead of general principles. Likewise, since the review focuses on emergent properties, these need to be highlighted beyond the introduction section. Right now, in section 2.1 and 2.2, the discussion of the formalisms is remains on the technical side. Please be more explicit about what emerges in the specific models that are discussed, and how the formalisms accommodate the study of this emergence.

I got confused by the last two paragraphs of section 2.2. It starts by acknowledging the usefulness of specific GRNs. It then (probably correctly) claims that simulating all possible interactions between all possible genes is unfeasible. But the problem seems not, as line 373 says, to be “limited data” but computational power (more and more transcriptomics data roll in by the day). The proposed alternative, of random Boolean networks, feels slightly old-fashioned and not very plant-specific. What about those partial approaches mentioned in line 360-362? We don’t expect all genes to be active in all tissues at all times.

My main issue is with the new section on “A theory of Organisms”, which is proposed as an alternative to the “modular” approaches of the two sections before. As far as I can tell, this theory is not a model formalism, but a philosophical perspective on the concept of (modelling) organisms in biology. The description of the theory is quite jargon-y and abstract: how should I understand variation – is it between organisms or cells within the organism? And how literal should we take motility: what biological process does it correspond to? Throughout the section it remains unclear how to put this philosophy/framework into practice when modelling plants. A final gripe I have with this section is that it contains two of the longest descriptions of models and their outcomes, and these are models of animals rather than plants. How the theory of organisms is put into practice in these animal models also remains unclear.

If this section is to stay, it needs to be much clearer how this theory of organisms actually translates to an (organismal or cellular) model, how it is different from the models in the other sections, and why we need it for plants. The final sentence, that the Theory of Organisms leads to more tractable models, needs more explanation too.

The figures are nice but could be referred to in the text more to support what is written. The legends vary a lot in detail and what they discuss about the model, this could be more consistent.

Specific comments:

L 31: spurious “of”

introduction, L71-80: I don’t really understand the distinction between a bottom-up approach and defining the local rules. What constitutes a rule? And does a bottom-up approach always have to start from the absolute bottom or necessarily include all known particles? I would consider partial approaches, that start from building blocks at one level to study emergent properties a higher level, also bottom-up (to be contrasted with top-down). Please clarify the distinction.

L148: The examples given in this section, like Zhang et al., 2020, seem pretty specific rather than generalised. Do you mean that the formalism should be general, so that it can be used to build multiple different specific models?

L186-189: How does this new representation change the kind of models that can be built with RGGs compared to L-systems?

Figure 2: The reference to the book by Prusinkiewicz and Lindenmayer lists the wrong year of publication (should be 1990 I think). Google citations often gets this wrong with older books.

It would be nice if the different elements of the figure were referred to in the text, with an explanation of how this result demonstrates emergence.

L 249: what are the traditional methods that are contrasted with IBMs here?

L250-258: It looks like a cool model, but how does the fact that the modules are Agents make a difference here, compared to the aforementioned L-systems, RGGs and MTGs (aka how do interactions between agents yield the wheat spike)?

L266-274: this is a nice description where it is more clear what the agents do and what emerges.

Figure 3: The figure is not very informative – what do SVP and SEP refer to in the top right graph; what are the sliding handles for, and what is in the two graphs? If the figure is there to demonstrate a toolbox, please provide a short explanation of the capabilities; otherwise, explain more what are the different elements in the picture and the graphs.

L 315-316: slightly redundant sentence, maybe a copy/paste error?

L320-324: why do these models have these benefits?

Figure 4: Is this figure possibly mirrored? I could not quite line up the description with the picture.

L351: I agree with this statement – but should this not be mentioned a bit earlier? And it seems to me that the model displayed in figure 4 is not a “whole-cell model” but focuses on relevant interactions, which seems both sensible and doable.

L403: Could you specify what were the emergent properties in the model/approach mentioned?

L495: “the” and “of” switched

L496: “be” → “been”

Review: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R2/PR13

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I very much appreciate the detailed revisions undertaken by the author to address reviewer comments. These efforts have improved the manuscript substantially.

I would still encourage the author to more fully articulate the rationale for inclusion of particular models throughout, but my concern on this point has been mostly addressed at this point.

The manuscript still appears to review things more from the perspective of metabolic pathways/physiology, and it would be helpful if this was mentioned more explicitly in the introduction.

Additional comments:

1) Line 442: Here it is stated that the “Theory of Organisms” relies on proliferation with variation and motility. It’s unclear to me how this translates to plant tissues, where cells cannot move relative to each other.

Minor comments:

1) In several places, the manuscript tacitly assume emergence from chemical reactions without explicitly stating this, which leads to some confusion:

Line 61-63: “if all we could control as experimentalists was, for instance, the identity and concentration of components”. Biological experiments have a richer repertoire than the targeted application of substances in varying concentrations.

Line 71-72: “the number of particles and their interactions…”. Perhaps rephrase to “the number of molecules and potential interactions in biological systems…”.

2) Line 131: “how plant architecture forms plant development” sounds very strange to me, perhaps “shapes” would be better?

3) Line 149: “interplay between plant architecture” is ambiguous, interplay with what? On the same line, do you want to “simplify the wide range of complexity and diversity of plant shapes”, or simplify their representation (or the models reproducing them)?

4) Line 202: L-systems are a rewriting system, and hence provide a dynamic representation of both architecture as well as state values. I’m not sure what you mean by “static” in this instance.

5) Line 422: Previous models, which did not employ the “theory of organisms”, also have been extensively used to predict new emergent properties.

Recommendation: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R2/PR14

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As you will see from the reviewers comments, despite them appreciating that the manuscript has significantly improved, they still raise some important issues. Most important among those is the extent to which matters such as models being suited for discovering and deciphering emergent properties are being explicitly highlighted in sections coming after the introduction, or the link with plant modeling to the final more philosophical and animal research oriented section.

At the same time we appreciate that you have put in considerable efforts and went through several iterations. As a solution, we propose to change the article format from review into perspective. This would target the article somewhat more as an introduction to non experts to enhance their capacity to interact with modelers and would require relatively limited rewriting.

Decision: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R2/PR15

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Author comment: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R3/PR16

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Recommendation: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R3/PR17

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Decision: Towards modelling emergence in plant systems — R3/PR18

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