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A proposal for simplifying and increasing the value of local to global land degradation monitoring

Published online by Cambridge University Press:  25 April 2025

Jeffrey E. Herrick*
Affiliation:
Range Management Research Unit, Jornada Experimental Range, USDA-ARS, Las Cruces, NM, USA
Brandon Bestelmeyer
Affiliation:
Range Management Research Unit, Jornada Experimental Range, USDA-ARS, Las Cruces, NM, USA
David L. Hoover
Affiliation:
Rangeland Resources and Systems Research Unit, USDA-ARS, Fort Collins, CO, USA
David Toledo
Affiliation:
Northern Great Plains Research Laboratory, USDA-ARS, Mandan, ND, USA
Nicholas Webb
Affiliation:
Range Management Research Unit, Jornada Experimental Range, USDA-ARS, Las Cruces, NM, USA
*
Corresponding author: Jeffrey E. Herrick; Emails: jhjer250@gmail.com and jeff.herrick@usda.gov
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Abstract

Land degradation is reducing biodiversity and crop yields, and exacerbating the impacts of climate change, throughout the world. Monitoring land degradation is required to determine the effectiveness of land management and restoration practices, and to track progress toward reaching land degradation neutrality (LDN). It is also needed to target investments where they are most needed, and will have the greatest impact. The most useful indicators of land degradation vary among soils and climates. The United Nations Convention to Combat Desertification (UNCCD) selected three widely accepted land degradation indicators for LDN: land cover, net primary production (NPP) and soil carbon stocks. In addition to non-universal relevance, the use of these indicators has been limited by data availability, especially for carbon. This article presents an alternative monitoring framework based on the definition and ranking of states in a degradation hierarchy. Unique classifications can be defined for different regions and even different landscapes allowing, for example, perennial cropland to be ranked above a highly degraded grassland. The article concludes with an invitation to discuss the potential value of this approach and how it could be practically implemented at landscape to global scales. The ultimate objective is to support decision-making information at the local levels at which land degradation is addressed through improved management and restoration while providing the information necessary for reporting on progress toward meeting goals.

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Figure 1. Current UNCCD default land cover transition matrix (Conservation International, 2022).

Figure 1

Figure 2. Example of how states within different land cover classes can be created and ranked relative to each other and converted to a transition matrix for (a) an arid region in the southwestern United States, and (b) a dry sub-humid region in the north-central United States. In both cases the undegraded state is a grassland. Green, yellow and red represent positive, no and negative change, respectively, from initial to target year.

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Figure 3. Sumjidmaa Sainnemekh, a technical expert working with the National Agency for Meteorology and Environmental Monitoring and the Mongolian National Federation of Pasture User’s Groups discusses monitoring results with Mongolian pastoralists in 2015 based on the approach described in this article.

Author comment: A proposal for simplifying and increasing the value of local to global land degradation monitoring — R0/PR1

Comments

Dear Professor Eldridge, Dear Professor Sala,

We respectfully submit the attached manuscript for your consideration. The manuscript was drafted in response to an earlier invitation. We regret and would like to apologize for the delay in submission, particularly given the relevance of this manuscript to the upcoming UNCCD COP in early December. We look forward to your response.

Best regards,

Jeff Herrick

Review: A proposal for simplifying and increasing the value of local to global land degradation monitoring — R0/PR2

Conflict of interest statement

Reviewer declares none.

Comments

General comment

Fig 1 presents a very disturbing picture of how the UN sees degradation. The framework proposed in this perspective paper is a necessary corrective step. The proposed framework helps to overcome the limitations of classifying land cover in terms of vegetation types that are defined differently by different people.

Specific comments

Line 70: Either delete “or the ratio of annual primary production to annual rainfall”, or enclose in brackets. The sentence is long.

Line 90: delete the closing bracket at the end of the sentence.

Line 101: “effectively” could be deleted.

Line 115: delete “per cent”.

Lines 154-156: Some readers may question why land use is not included in the criteria for inherent potential. The example of Mongolia is for a certain land use (rangeland/pastoralism), is it not? Could you comment on this?

Line 164-165: A great deal of caution is required when classifying land cover in terms of vegetation types such as grassland or shrubland without very clear definitions based on structure and function because the terms often have quite different meanings for different people. This is illustrated by the examples in the next paragraph, but could be made clearer in the text.

Line 192-193: Fig 2 could be improved slightly by adding text to the vertical and horizontal axes, similar to Fig 1, for the benefit of readers who are not familiar with how to read a transition matrix.

Line 288: delete “also”.

Review: A proposal for simplifying and increasing the value of local to global land degradation monitoring — R0/PR3

Conflict of interest statement

Reviewer declares none.

Comments

This manuscript presents an alternative approach to monitoring land degradation, or, more particularly, to structuring how land degradation neutrality might be better tracked. As such, and acknowledging some of the critiques of the current approach to LDN, it is a timely proposal to trigger a round of reviewing LDN, given that it has been in place for nearly a decade now. The paper is well written and logically argued, so, whilst I have a few key issues to raise, I generally think it needs to be published to drive a wider round of discussion, as sought (l.286).

First, one of the critiques of the current LDN rubric is, as the paper observes, that there are various default options for countries to apply, which result in reports which are rather generic and insensitive to differences in how land degradation process play out in context. A related challenge is that LDN is supposed to be neutrality within defined land types/land cover categories, and these are not necessarily sensible. The proposal addresses these issues by allowing for a multi-scaled, potentially nested, approach that develops states and transitions appropriate to any particular scale. This more flexible approach has definite potential to solve some problems of context specificity but raises further issues of who judges whether the classification of levels of scale to be addressed, the land unit classifications at these multiple levels, and the specific set of transitions (and their value) at each level are legitimate. As stated, I think the authors imply this should be a local decision to suit conditions, which is acknowledged, but this still means there is a quality control issue. The paper needs a short paragraph addressing this question of “what is a good enough [or comparable enough] set of classifications?” – and who should judge this? The intent, rightly, is to devolve action to the level of local knowledge, but there needs to be some interplay between this and a validating standard to have any confidence LDN is actually measuring anything of importance to the atmosphere, or biodiversity, or productivity. The solution may be to establish standards for the decision-making process rather than for the results of this, a point which is alluded to at l.228 but only narrowly and without then asking how to maintain a general standard at the same time as allowing local flexibility; anyway it will pre-empt arguments if the authors address this inevitable question more explicitly, even if only briefly.

A second related (perhaps driving) concern (which is also true for LDN now anyway) is the question of the *purpose* of tackling LDN, something which almost certainly differs at different levels of scale, but also can be in the eye of the beholder or the land ‘user’ (including public interests). This issue infuses the paper, for example in talking about how to prioritise land for action (l.138-9), talking of ‘potential’ as an abstract concept (here at least – potential for what?) (l.154-5), some systems being more highly valued (for what?) (l.188) etc, and of course underlies the choices about how to categorise significant transitions from those that are deemed otherwise, or even the choice of units. I suspect the Mongolian case study works well partly because there is a considerable consistency in mental models about the values of their grasslands for pastoralism and conservation; the convergence or divergence of such values needs to be made explicit, which would of course be easier in a nested system as proposed. Again, I don’t think there is any simple answer to this pervasive question, though any system needs to be explicit about what values it is actually supporting, and this may be better handled by this approach than by the current LDN one. Again, I suggest the authors need to add a sentence or two addressing this question to avoid (or at least explicitly frame) subsequent debates that arise from different perspectives. (I would point to Verstraete et al 2011 [Land Degrad Dev 22(2):198-213. DOI 10.1002/ldr.1046] that attempted to address these two issues tangentially in thoughts about a nested global drylands observing system that are otherwise much less developed or practically useful as this paper!)

My only smaller point is that I find it strange to come to the final sentence (ll.287-291) of the paper to be pointed to other attempts at frameworks rather than to have these (even if only briefly) acknowledged at the start of the paper so the present effort can demonstrate what it is tackling that has not been handled by any other as yet. I would urge this change in order as a matter of good practice and acknowledgement of the edifice of knowledge to which this paper aims to contribute!

Recommendation: A proposal for simplifying and increasing the value of local to global land degradation monitoring — R0/PR4

Comments

First, I wish to apologize for the delay in evaluating your manuscript. Multiple contacts were made prior to identifying two qualified reviewers.

Your paper has received two positive reviews. Both have indicated that an alternative framework for implementing LDN is of critical importance. Two important points were raised regarding the implementation of the proposed procedure. The first addressed flexibility of the recommended procedure in relation to internationally accepted standards. The second addressed the prioritization of various ecological states and transitions. Both of these important points are also inherent to the use of STMs.

Both reviews suggested minor reorganization and more clear application of terminology, with which I agree. The case for the ineffectiveness of the current framework is clearly established. However, presentation of the alternative approach could be further clarified. A general audience may have difficulty comprehending your key points, especially individuals that are not familiar with terminology associated with STMs (see specific comments below).

The presentation may be improved by limited reorganization. For example, the goal of the paper is first mentioned on line 139, rather than in the introduction. It may be helpful to move the STM paragraph beginning on line 256 to the introduction and clearly point out that this is the foundation for the alternative LDN framework. Finally, additional editing would improve clarity and reader comprehension as indicated in the specific comments that follow.

Specific comments by line number:

Should the title include LDN rather than degradation? LDN receives the greatest emphasis.

70. A definition of degradation would be helpful along with several other terms. Might a glossary be helpful?

84. Consider placing a LDN heading here.

91. What do these rules accomplish? Define the indicators?

95. Type of imagery would help complete the sentence.

110. Write out numerals. It’s odd that this range is so large.

113. Some statement of the validity or accuracy of the current procedure could be presented here even though it is the topic of the following paragraph.

118. Explanation and example of the first point.

120. Same for the second point.

127. Should this be a separate paragraph?

156. Should ‘state transitions’ be defined?

161. Do you mean to imply that all shrublands are degraded? Farmlands?

184. This sentence may be a distraction.

191. This paragraph is very clear, but it does not appear to directly follow from the prior text.

205. Should the obvious redundancy between cover and SOC be continued? This seems to demean the procedure to some extent.

212. ‘Within land cover class states’ is difficult to interpret.

235. ‘State of land’ is not based on a set of indicators? Sentence is difficult to interpret.

247. Who’s experiences?

256. First mention of ‘transition matrix’ without a definition.

Decision: A proposal for simplifying and increasing the value of local to global land degradation monitoring — R0/PR5

Comments

No accompanying comment.

Author comment: A proposal for simplifying and increasing the value of local to global land degradation monitoring — R1/PR6

Comments

(Note - this “cover letter” is identical to the “respond to decision letter” above).

January 31, 2025

Dear Dr. Yahdjian, Dear Dr. Sayre,

My apologies for this much delayed response. As you noted, this landed immediately prior to the UNCCD COP16 meetings and the holidays. While we missed the meetings, the timing is still very good.

The comments and suggestions of the two reviewers as well as those of the handling editor were extremely helpful – perhaps the best set of reviews I’ve ever received. All three sets were insightful and challenged us to deepen and extend our thinking. We have tried to do so, while respecting the scope of the paper and recognizing that it is simply the first step.

Responses to each comment and suggestion are preceded by “***” below. We have also taken the opportunity to correct a few inconsistencies in the manuscript (e.g. four vs. five criteria).

Please do let us know if there is anything else we can do to improve the manuscript, or to provide additional explanation and context.

Best regards,

Jeff

Handling Editor: Briske, David

Comments to the Author:

First, I wish to apologize for the delay in evaluating your manuscript. Multiple contacts were made prior to identifying two qualified reviewers.

Your paper has received two positive reviews. Both have indicated that an alternative framework for implementing LDN is of critical importance. Two important points were raised regarding the implementation of the proposed procedure. The first addressed flexibility of the recommended procedure in relation to internationally accepted standards. The second addressed the prioritization of various ecological states and transitions. Both of these important points are also inherent to the use of STMs.

Both reviews suggested minor reorganization and more clear application of terminology, with which I agree. The case for the ineffectiveness of the current framework is clearly established. However, presentation of the alternative approach could be further clarified. A general audience may have difficulty comprehending your key points, especially individuals that are not familiar with terminology associated with STMs (see specific comments below).

***Excellent points. Please see our specific responses below.

The presentation may be improved by limited reorganization. For example, the goal of the paper is first mentioned on line 139, rather than in the introduction.

***Excellent suggestion. We added new paragraph #2 to the Introduction. Elaboration of the goal, including explanation of the four criteria, is retained following the introduction as the introductory material is necessary to understand why we identified these four criteria.

It may be helpful to move the STM paragraph beginning on line 256 to the introduction and clearly point out that this is the foundation for the alternative LDN framework.

***Very good catch given the extent to which the entire paper depends on STM thinking. This is now paragraph 3.

Finally, additional editing would improve clarity and reader comprehension as indicated in the specific comments that follow.

Specific comments by line number:

Should the title include LDN rather than degradation? LDN receives the greatest emphasis.

***Good observation and we did consider this option. We would prefer to keep the title more general so as not to limit the perceived relevance of the paper post-2030, when LDN may or may not be retained as a goal.

70. A definition of degradation would be helpful along with several other terms. Might a glossary be helpful?

***We are generally supportive of definitions, but in this case the approach is explicitly designed to allow degradation to be defined in context. Having “survived” many discussions of the term in both scientific/technical and policy fora, we are also hesitant to attempt to limit consideration of the approach by readers who may not agree with our definition of “degradation”.

84. Consider placing a LDN heading here.

***Good idea. I’m guessing that the reviewer meant (former) line 74 and have placed the heading accordingly. Happy to move down to (former) 84 – the following paragraph – if preferred.

91. What do these rules accomplish? Define the indicators?

***Added “that ensure that the indicators are generated consistently”.

95. Type of imagery would help complete the sentence.

***Our understanding is that different types of imagery may used, allowing flexibility as improved imagery becomes available.

110. Write out numerals.

***Done.

It’s odd that this range is so large.

***Agreed. Based on a cursory review of the data and anecdotal conversations with some country representatives, it appears that there were a number of reasons including discomfort with the default approach to determining changes in soil carbon together with the lack of a viable alternative.

113. Some statement of the validity or accuracy of the current procedure could be presented here even though it is the topic of the following paragraph.

***We understand and appreciate the request to add a general evaluation of the current procedure here but believe that it is more appropriate to avoid the risk of editorializing or pre-judging the statements in the following paragraph. Since the manuscript was drafted we had the opportunity to discuss these points with delegates at COP16 and believe that the text accurately reflects the current limitations.

118. Explanation and example of the first point.

***Added “These ranged from differences in interpretation of the land cover classes to soil degradation and recovery that were not reflected in any of the indicators.”

120. Same for the second point.

***Added “The lumping of all croplands into one category was of sufficient concern that it was explicitly addressed in a UNCCD negotiated decision (UNCCD, 2024a).”

127. Should this be a separate paragraph?

***Yes – changed.

156. Should ‘state transitions’ be defined?

***Modified to read “changes in state (state transitions)”

161. Do you mean to imply that all shrublands are degraded? Farmlands?

***We do not. The sentence reads “For example, at the national scale a simple land cover classification could be used, such as assigning grassland to the undegraded state, and defining all shrublands and farmlands to be equally degraded.” We needed an example to work from. This one is no worse than the current approach (land cover classes), and is just the first part of an explanation of the more nuanced approach that is then described in the rest of the paragraph. Happy to rephrase if helpful but we weren’t sure if clarification is needed and, if so, an appropriate way to make it clearer.

184. This sentence may be a distraction.

***Deleted sentence.

191. This paragraph is very clear, but it does not appear to directly follow from the prior text.

***We have added a transition sentence: “While the basic principles underlying the approach described here are well established and applied through state and transition models, there are relatively few examples of here it has been applied to monitoring beyond the project level.” Alternatively or additionally, perhaps the paragraph (and associated figure/photo) could be pulled out in a box if the journal allows for boxes?

205. Should the obvious redundancy between cover and SOC be continued? This seems to demean the procedure to some extent.

***Here we are simply trying to ensure that the proposal is policy informative and not policy prescriptive. We need to acknowledge that some countries may want continuity and this is one way to achieve it, while (later in the paragraph) showing how they can still use the approach to increase the value of monitoring for landscape-scale decision-making. Global adoption of this or any other alternative framework is more likely if countries have flexibility, and in this case it may also help to reduce resistance from scientists who have bought into the current system.

212. ‘Within land cover class states’ is difficult to interpret.

***Deleted “within-cover class”

235. ‘State of land’ is not based on a set of indicators? Sentence is difficult to interpret.

***Good and very critical point. Thank you for catching. We have expanded the sentence as follows: “In our experience working with practitioners and land managers throughout the United States and internationally, we have found that this approach is quite intuitive because it uses the observed or measured state of the land that is based on those indicators that best reflect degradation of that particular type of land, rather than some surrogate, as the indicator attempting to universally apply an indicator to all types of land.”

247. Who’s experiences?

***Added “our and our collaborators”.

256. First mention of ‘transition matrix’ without a definition.

***Transition matrix is defined by example in figure 1, and the term is used in the sentence that introduces figure 1, and in the legend for figure 1. The concept is then recycled in figure 2 and used in its legend. This paragraph was moved up following the suggestion above, and the term was removed as it had not yet been introduced.

Reviewer: 1

Comments to the Author

General comment

Fig 1 presents a very disturbing picture of how the UN sees degradation. The framework proposed in this perspective paper is a necessary corrective step. The proposed framework helps to overcome the limitations of classifying land cover in terms of vegetation types that are defined differently by different people.

***We appreciate the support of the reviewer and would be happy to review the history with them informally at some time in the future. It has certainly been an interesting journey. A short summary is that we (one of the authors shares responsibility with hundreds of other scientists, negotiators and scientist/negotiators) were willing to initially accept a less than perfect approach if it would – and it did – allow us to gain the necessary consensus for LDN to be included in SDG reporting. While we believe that the approach we are proposing has merit, we do wonder how it will be perceived in 2050 (or even 2035…).

Specific comments

Line 70: Either delete “or the ratio of annual primary production to annual rainfall”, or enclose in brackets. The sentence is long.

***Agree too long. Placed in brackets as this definition was added in response to a request by an earlier (pre-submission) reviewer.

Line 90: delete the closing bracket at the end of the sentence.

***Done.

Line 101: “effectively” could be deleted.

***Done.

Line 115: delete “per cent”.

***Done.

Lines 154-156: Some readers may question why land use is not included in the criteria for inherent potential. The example of Mongolia is for a certain land use (rangeland/pastoralism), is it not? Could you comment on this?

***We have added the following to the end of the sentence. If the editor believes that this statement will open yet another set of questions or debate then we would suggest sticking with the original.

“and where the potential for non-vegetation indicators, such as soil carbon, is their predicted or observed values associated with the undegraded plant community or communities for the particular combination of soil (inherent or relatively static properties), topography and climate.”

Line 164-165: A great deal of caution is required when classifying land cover in terms of vegetation types such as grassland or shrubland without very clear definitions based on structure and function because the terms often have quite different meanings for different people. This is illustrated by the examples in the next paragraph, but could be made clearer in the text.

***Good point. We have added a slightly modified version of the reviewer’s caution: “We note that caution is required when classifying land cover in terms of vegetation types such as grassland or shrubland without very clear definitions because the terms often have quite different meanings for different people.”

Line 192-193: Fig 2 could be improved slightly by adding text to the vertical and horizontal axes, similar to Fig 1, for the benefit of readers who are not familiar with how to read a transition matrix.

***Done.

Line 288: delete “also”.

***Done.

Reviewer: 2

Comments to the Author

This manuscript presents an alternative approach to monitoring land degradation, or, more particularly, to structuring how land degradation neutrality might be better tracked. As such, and acknowledging some of the critiques of the current approach to LDN, it is a timely proposal to trigger a round of reviewing LDN, given that it has been in place for nearly a decade now. The paper is well written and logically argued, so, whilst I have a few key issues to raise, I generally think it needs to be published to drive a wider round of discussion, as sought (l.286).

First, one of the critiques of the current LDN rubric is, as the paper observes, that there are various default options for countries to apply, which result in reports which are rather generic and insensitive to differences in how land degradation process play out in context. A related challenge is that LDN is supposed to be neutrality within defined land types/land cover categories, and these are not necessarily sensible. The proposal addresses these issues by allowing for a multi-scaled, potentially nested, approach that develops states and transitions appropriate to any particular scale. This more flexible approach has definite potential to solve some problems of context specificity but raises further issues of who judges whether the classification of levels of scale to be addressed, the land unit classifications at these multiple levels, and the specific set of transitions (and their value) at each level are legitimate. As stated, I think the authors imply this should be a local decision to suit conditions, which is acknowledged, but this still means there is a quality control issue.

***We agree.

The paper needs a short paragraph addressing this question of “what is a good enough [or comparable enough] set of classifications?” – and who should judge this?

***We have added the paragraph, and in so doing, intentionally put the question out for discussion as we believe that this decision in particular is as much political as it is scientific. In this paragraph we have explicitly referenced the reviewer’s keen observations below that “there needs to be some interplay between this and a validating standard to have any confidence” and that the “solution may be to establish standards for the decision-making process rather than for the results of this”.

The intent, rightly, is to devolve action to the level of local knowledge, but there needs to be some interplay between this and a validating standard to have any confidence LDN is actually measuring anything of importance to the atmosphere, or biodiversity, or productivity. The solution may be to establish standards for the decision-making process rather than for the results of this, a point which is alluded to at l.228 but only narrowly and without then asking how to maintain a general standard at the same time as allowing local flexibility; anyway it will pre-empt arguments if the authors address this inevitable question more explicitly, even if only briefly.

***Please see the response above, including the addition that the “solution may be to establish standards for the decision-making process rather than for the results of this”.

A second related (perhaps driving) concern (which is also true for LDN now anyway) is the question of the *purpose* of tackling LDN, something which almost certainly differs at different levels of scale, but also can be in the eye of the beholder or the land ‘user’ (including public interests). This issue infuses the paper, for example in talking about how to prioritise land for action (l.138-9), talking of ‘potential’ as an abstract concept (here at least – potential for what?) (l.154-5), some systems being more highly valued (for what?) (l.188) etc, and of course underlies the choices about how to categorise significant transitions from those that are deemed otherwise, or even the choice of units. I suspect the Mongolian case study works well partly because there is a considerable consistency in mental models about the values of their grasslands for pastoralism and conservation;

***Yes, exactly! We agree and thank the reviewer for their insights.

the convergence or divergence of such values needs to be made explicit, which would of course be easier in a nested system as proposed.

***Good point.

Again, I don’t think there is any simple answer to this pervasive question, though any system needs to be explicit about what values it is actually supporting, and this may be better handled by this approach than by the current LDN one. Again, I suggest the authors need to add a sentence or two addressing this question to avoid (or at least explicitly frame) subsequent debates that arise from different perspectives. (I would point to Verstraete et al 2011 [Land Degrad Dev 22(2):198-213. DOI 10.1002/ldr.1046] that attempted to address these two issues tangentially in thoughts about a nested global drylands observing system that are otherwise much less developed or practically useful as this paper!)

***This is an excellent point. We have attempted to address it in a couple of paragraphs as we found it impossible to summarize in a couple of sentences, and fully acknowledge that even these paragraphs are likely insufficient: it needs a paper, which we hope the reviewer will consider writing.

“Finally, we recognize that no monitoring system is value-neutral. The flexibility that the proposed approach provides to take regional to landscape-scale variability into account reduces the impact of global biases (e.g. the relative value of some land cover types over others, or of prioritizing soil carbon sequestration over other ecosystem services) on land degradation determinations. At the same time, however, it opens the door to debates about what the reference should be, particularly in systems where restoration is biophysically, or at least economically, impossible, or land cover has been completely transformed by a change in land use for decades, centuries or more.

We believe that this challenge may be mitigated by two considerations. The first is that a future monitoring system based on the approach described here can continue to use a particular point in time as the baseline, rather than the natural potential of a particular piece of land. The second, which we have successfully applied in many debates in the United States, is to agree to transparently include in the evaluation matrix what is biophysically possible (e.g. reconversion of cropland to a diverse perennial grassland), while also including states that can be realistically achieved (e.g. a crop production system resulting in minimal erosion and increased soil carbon content and biodiversity). This, in fact, may be the greatest benefit of the approach: it should lead to the development of local to global monitoring systems that can be used to create positive incentives for good land use practices, even if they aren’t the best. Future refinements of this approach could follow the approach taken by some certification systems and reflect the magnitude of improvement at the risk of making the system too complex."

My only smaller point is that I find it strange to come to the final sentence (ll.287-291) of the paper to be pointed to other attempts at frameworks rather than to have these (even if only briefly) acknowledged at the start of the paper so the present effort can demonstrate what it is tackling that has not been handled by any other as yet. I would urge this change in order as a matter of good practice and acknowledgement of the edifice of knowledge to which this paper aims to contribute!

***Thank you, yes. We have moved these sentences to the second paragraph of the LDN section.

Review: A proposal for simplifying and increasing the value of local to global land degradation monitoring — R1/PR7

Conflict of interest statement

Reviewer declares none.

Comments

Reviewers' comments have been adequately addressed. Just 2 minor typos to correct:

Lines 173 and 244: Replace “four” with “five”

Line 235: Replace “have” with “has”

Review: A proposal for simplifying and increasing the value of local to global land degradation monitoring — R1/PR8

Conflict of interest statement

n/a

Comments

I am comfortable that the authors have finessed the paper a little from comments, and in my view it is ready to publish.

Just 2 very small wording issues that they might like to consider in copyediting:

Line 188: I think the intended wording here would be “combination of (inherent or relatively static properties) soil, topography and climate” else it sounds as if only soil is static. (Or the bracket could come at the end of the line).

Line 197-8: the specific example here sounds a little to definite given that it is contradicted by the example from the Chihuahuan Desert 2 paragraphs below – I don’t think you mean that grasslands are always to be regarded as undegraded vs shrublands – just a additional phrase (like ‘if appropriate’ or ‘in relevant contexts’ would serve to indicate that you are giving this concrete case as an example not a generic statement.

Last, Fig.2 caption is missing in the text, but of course it is there in the figures section after the references.

Recommendation: A proposal for simplifying and increasing the value of local to global land degradation monitoring — R1/PR9

Comments

This version of the manuscript has been substantially improved. Several minor editorial changes have been recommended. These suggestions are respectfully offered to enhance the recognition and impact of this very important perspective. The implications could be further strengthened as well. Is this proposal specifically direct to UNCCD? Would it be appropriate to comment on the fate of LDN if substantial improvement to the current framework is not implemented?

HE Suggestions

21. The manuscript contains several long, complex sentences that could be split to increase clarity. Also see lines 75, 213, and 321.

34. May wish to use ‘ecological’ state initially.

36. ‘Land’ classification may be helpful at the outset.

55. Sentence is redundant with the one on line 35.

134. Clarify artificial surface.

175. Is more ‘accurately’ appropriate? Compared to what reference? Might ‘representative’ be a better choice?

185. Might ‘estimated’ or ‘projected’ be more appropriate than defined?

208. Terminology of ‘healthier’ vs ‘degraded’ may create confusion. Neither term has been defined.

234-238. This is key point regarding application could be expanded and presented earlier to increase clarity.

291. It is appropriate to suggest that anyone can use this framework? Lessons from STM development in the US have suggested that management experience in a region is critical for development and effective usage.

314. Is reference to three nationalities relevant?

319. Does the approach suggested on lines 234-238 offer a type of quality control? Variation among nations may continue to be a problem, but no more so that the current procedure. This direct comparison may further strengthen your argument.

Fig. 2. Provide a legend for colors. Delete ‘Arid’ or add ‘Dry Sub-humid’ to the lower figure.

Review Suggestions

Reviewers' comments have been adequately addressed. Just 2 minor typos to correct:

Lines 173 and 244: Replace “four” with “five”

Line 235: Replace “have” with “has”

I am comfortable that the authors have finessed the paper a little from comments, and in my view it is ready to publish.

Just 2 very small wording issues that they might like to consider in copyediting:

Line 188: I think the intended wording here would be “combination of (inherent or relatively static properties) soil, topography and climate” else it sounds as if only soil is static. (Or the bracket could come at the end of the line).

Line 197-8: the specific example here sounds a little to definite given that it is contradicted by the example from the Chihuahuan Desert 2 paragraphs below – I don’t think you mean that grasslands are always to be regarded as undegraded vs shrublands – just a additional phrase (like ‘if appropriate’ or ‘in relevant contexts’ would serve to indicate that you are giving this concrete case as an example not a generic statement.

Last, Fig.2 caption is missing in the text, but of course it is there in the figures section after the references.

Decision: A proposal for simplifying and increasing the value of local to global land degradation monitoring — R1/PR10

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Dear Dr. Sayre,

Final submission with changes as requested - please see response above.

Best regards,

Jeff

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The authors have effectively addressed the final editorial suggestions.

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