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findAbar: How astronomers may perceive the bar in galaxies differently

Published online by Cambridge University Press:  24 November 2025

Elizabeth J. Iles*
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia School of Physics, University of New South Wales, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Joss Bland-Hawthorn
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Courtney Crawford
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Scott M. Croom
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Hillary Davis
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia
May Gade Pedersen
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Anne Green
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Madusha Gunawardhana
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Miguel Icaza-Lizaola
Affiliation:
Korea Astronomy and Space Science Institute, Yuseong-gu, Daejeon, Republic of Korea Centro de Investigación Avanzada en Física Fundamental (CIAFF), Facultad de Ciencias, Universidad Autónoma de Madrid, Madrid, Spain
Helen Johnston
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Emily F. Kerrison
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia Australian Telescope National Facility, CSIRO Astronomy and Space Science, Epping, NSW, Australia ARC Centre of Excellence for All-Sky Astrophysics in 3 Dimensions (ASTRO 3D), Australia
Yifan Mai
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia ARC Centre of Excellence for All-Sky Astrophysics in 3 Dimensions (ASTRO 3D), Australia
Benjamin T. Montet
Affiliation:
School of Physics, University of New South Wales, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Kovi Rose
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia Australian Telescope National Facility, CSIRO Astronomy and Space Science, Epping, NSW, Australia
Tomas Rutherford
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia ARC Centre of Excellence for All-Sky Astrophysics in 3 Dimensions (ASTRO 3D), Australia
Manasvee Saraf
Affiliation:
ARC Centre of Excellence for All-Sky Astrophysics in 3 Dimensions (ASTRO 3D), Australia International Centre for Radio Astronomy Research, The University of Western Australia, Crawley, WA, Australia Australia Telescope National Facility, CSIRO, Space and Astronomy, Bentley, WA, Australia
Ellen L. Sirks
Affiliation:
School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia ARC Centre of Excellence for Dark Matter Particle Physics, Australia Department of Physics, Institute for Computational Cosmology, Durham University, Durham, UK
Eckhart Spalding
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia ETH Zurich, Institute for Particle Physics and Astrophysics, Zurich, Switzerland
Sujeeporn Tuntipong
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia ARC Centre of Excellence for All-Sky Astrophysics in 3 Dimensions (ASTRO 3D), Australia
Jesse van de Sande
Affiliation:
School of Physics, University of New South Wales, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Pavadol Yamsiri
Affiliation:
Sydney Institute for Astronomy, School of Physics, A28, The University of Sydney, Sydney, NSW, Australia ARC Centre of Excellence for All-Sky Astrophysics in 3 Dimensions (ASTRO 3D), Australia
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Corresponding author: Elizabeth J. Iles; Email: elizabeth.iles@sydney.edu.au
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Abstract

Bars are ubiquitous morphological features in the observed distribution of galaxies. There are similarly many methods for classifying these features and, without a strict theoretical definition or common standard practice, this is often left to circumstance. So, we were concerned whether astronomers even agree on the bar which they perceive in a given galaxy and whether this could impact perceived scientific results. As an elementary test, we twenty-one astronomers with varied experience in studying resolved galaxies and circumstances, have each assessed 200 galaxy images, spanning the early phase of bar evolution in two different barred galaxy simulations. We find variations exist within the classification of all the standard bar parameters assessed: bar length, axis-ratio, pitch-angle and even whether a bar is present at all. If this is indicative of the wider community, it has implications for interpreting morphological trends, such as bar-end effects. Furthermore, we find that it is surprisingly not expertise but gender, followed by career stage, which gives rise to the largest discrepancies in the reported bar parameters. Currently, automation does not seem to be a viable solution, with bar classifications from two automated bar-finding algorithms tested and failing to find bars in snapshots where most astronomers agree a bar must exist. Increasing dependence on machine learning or crowdsourcing with a training dataset can only serve to obfuscate any existing biases if these originate from the specific astronomer producing the training material. On the strength of this small sample, we encourage an interim best practice to reduce the impact of any possible classification bias and set goals for the community to resolve the issue in the future.

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Figure 1. Upper: A standard face-on stellar density map for one of the barred galaxies included in findAbar (IsoB; Iles et al. 2022, 2024) with coloured ellipses tracing two different responses from the participating astronomers. Lower: An example of the image used for findAbar and the line selections for classifying the semi-major and semi-minor bar axes.

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Figure 2. The distribution of participants by career stage, gender and experience working with galaxies displaying bar structure.

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Figure 3. A subdivision of the distribution of participants indicating how the three participant attributes are distributed within the context of career stage.

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Figure 4. Representation of the full findAbar dataset in general parameters: $R_{\textrm{bar}}$, $b_{\textrm{bar}}$, Axis Ratio, $\phi_{\textrm{bar}}$, and fraction of individuals who found a bar at each time-step. The bar parameter responses are presented by a boxplot for each snapshot. The central mark (yellow star) indicates the median response; the box spans from the 25th–75th percentile; whiskers (thin lines) extend to the most extreme data point within $Q_3+1.5(Q_3-Q_1)$ and $Q_1-1.5(Q_3-Q_1)$ and any values more extreme than these limits are classed as outliers (cross marks). The grey bars indicate the percentage of participants who identified a bar in a given snapshot, with the dashed line at 100% found a bar.

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Table 1. A single average value determined for each of the standard parameters: $R_{\textrm{bar}}$, $b_\textrm{ bar}$, Axis Ratio and $\phi_{\textrm{bar}}$ from the median response (Figure 4 star-shaped points) in each time period (Med.) and the corresponding IQR (Figure 4 boxes) and the relative size of the IQR spread to the Med. value (Rel.). Each simulated disk in the sample (IsoB, TideB) has two sets of values for the total simulation time and the periods where $\ge 75$% of astronomers agree a bar exists.

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Figure 5. The percentage difference between the median value for the responses with each participant attribute in each snapshot for each parameter (columns): $R_{\textrm{bar}}$, $b_{\textrm{bar}}$, Axis Ratio, $\phi_{\textrm{bar}}$, and fraction of individuals who found a bar at each time-step. A value of zero indicates no difference in the median between the two attribute distributions. Positive value indicates that the attribute listed first is greater than the attribute listed second, while a negative value is the opposite.

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Figure 6. A measure of the fraction of snapshots with a percentage difference value higher than 5% from Figure 5. Top – the absolute difference for each of the four bar parameters: $R_{\textrm{bar}}$ = blue triangle, Axis Ratio = orange star, $\phi_{\textrm{bar}}$ = pink circle, % to find a bar = grey square. Rows 2–5 – the skew of values toward either the left or right group in the combination, as listed along x-axis coloured by the same parameter colour. Saturation only serves to better distinguish between left-right values.

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Table 2. The nine example galaxies selected from Maeda et al. (2023) are listed with the galaxy identifier (left), morphology from the Third Reference Catalogue of Bright Galaxies (RC3; de Vaucouleurs et al. 1991) and the shape of the SFE profile within the limit of the bar radius $R/R_{\textrm{bar}}=1$ as defined from the bar length measured by Maeda et al. (2023) and then in this work (right).

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Figure 7. The percentage difference between the median value for $R_{\textrm{bar}}$ in all the responses (top row) and with each participant attribute (lower rows), compared between the two automated methods (columns). A value of zero indicates no difference in the median between the two attribute distributions. A positive value indicates that the value from the automated method is greater than the attribute listed, while a negative value is the opposite. Grey regions indicate time periods where there was no value recorded for at least one of the responses compared.

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Figure 8. A standard face-on stellar density map for one of the barred galaxies included in findAbar (IsoB; Iles et al. 2022, 2024) with the bar region highlighted by an ellipse and bar-ends accounting for the outer 5% of the bar length hashed. The inner-bar region is also identified with text and stripes, to differentiate this region from the full bar region which would also include the bar-end components.