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THE WEAKNESS OF FINDING DESCENDING SEQUENCES IN ILL-FOUNDED LINEAR ORDERS

Published online by Cambridge University Press:  29 October 2025

JUN LE GOH
Affiliation:
DEPARTMENT OF MATHEMATICS NATIONAL UNIVERSITY OF SINGAPORE SINGAPORE E-mail: gohjunle@nus.edu.sg
ARNO PAULY
Affiliation:
DEPARTMENT OF COMPUTER SCIENCE SWANSEA UNIVERSITY UNITED KINGDOM E-mail: Arno.M.Pauly@gmail.com
MANLIO VALENTI*
Affiliation:
DEPARTMENT OF COMPUTER SCIENCE SWANSEA UNIVERSITY UNITED KINGDOM E-mail: Arno.M.Pauly@gmail.com
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Abstract

We explore the Weihrauch degree of the problems “find a bad sequence in a non-well quasi order” ($\mathsf {BS}$) and “find a descending sequence in an ill-founded linear order” ($\mathsf {DS}$). We prove that $\mathsf {DS}$ is strictly Weihrauch reducible to $\mathsf {BS}$, correcting our mistaken claim in [18]. This is done by separating their respective first-order parts. On the other hand, we show that $\mathsf {BS}$ and $\mathsf {DS}$ have the same finitary and deterministic parts, confirming that $\mathsf {BS}$ and $\mathsf {DS}$ have very similar uniform computational strength. We prove that König’s lemma $\mathsf {KL}$ and the problem $\mathsf {wList}_{{2^{\mathbb {N}}},\leq \omega }$ of enumerating a given non-empty countable closed subset of ${2^{\mathbb {N}}}$ are not Weihrauch reducible to $\mathsf {DS}$ or $\mathsf {BS}$, resolving two main open questions raised in [18]. We also answer the question, raised in [12], on the existence of a “parallel quotient” operator, and study the behavior of $\mathsf {BS}$ and $\mathsf {DS}$ under the quotient with some known problems.

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Figure 1 Schematic representation of the construction used in the proof of Lemma 3.5. The dashed box contains the partial construction up to stage s. The gray boxes contain intervals in the partial order P. For simplicity, each interval up to stage s only contains one point (i.e., the partial order $P_s$ is isomorphic to a tree), but this need not be the case in general. The black nodes are those in the range of the (partial) tree decomposition $\iota _s$. The square gray node is the node guessed by g at stage $s+1$ (which identifies $\iota (\sigma )$ and ).

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Figure 2 The figure shows all reductions between the depicted principles up to transitivity, with the potential exception that we have not ruled out being $\mathsf {BS}|_{\operatorname {Tree}} \leq _{\mathrm {W}} \widehat {\boldsymbol {\Pi }^0_2\mathsf {-ACC}_{\mathbb {N}}}$. The diagram can be thought of as a cube whose vertical edges have decreasing chains parameterized by $k \geq 2$ on them, and the bottom corners are labelled by degrees which are below the ones on the edges for all k.